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    04. 10. 2011 22:52

Audessy
Well, it's been an ongoing problem with NF. Most rooms fill to 20 BB's and everyone MUST
wait (with the invention of GBII) long periods of time for the room to start. This is a serious
turnoff to new players and any MMO needs player base growth to keep the game alive.

So the question is:

Why do you think the servers have low CV activity?


My observations,

-Monotonous fighter biased gameplay. BB's go blind and become aggravated at you.
-Shared XP resulting in weak rewards for being successful.
-AA ships. Cause and affect. AAW'ing is the only practical form of getting experts. With ships
like the Mandel, it's getting a little ridiculous. Moltke's and Pensacola's are bad enough.
-Low fuel on planes. I've noticed this hurts TB usage as it's difficult to regroup them after
the "low fuel" mark is hit.
-Lack of CV content. Especially when you compare it to BB content.
-Small diversity between cv nations.
-Shared CV6's between IJN/KM and US/UK
-No real advantage of owning a CV6 over a PCV. PCV in some ways is better since you can
use a support on the BO slot.

Discuss.
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  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 12:54

Audessy
"The CV line isn't as bad, but is still boring when compared to BB gameplay. Why? Because it
is a support class with the game mechanics as they are."

True

But they don't need to be as boring and frustrating as they currently are. Just even
implementing the "Plane Tree" for bomber pilots and fighter pilots would do wonders and keep
people's interest.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 12:43

ljsevern
Suggesting the SS line isn't boring gameplay wise and the CV Line is hilarious.

The SS line gameplay is so 2 dimensional and requires little to no skill at all.

The CV line isn't as bad, but is still boring when compared to BB gameplay. Why? Because it
is a support class with the game mechanics as they are.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:59

Ultra_Dog
The issue regarding AA Moltkes, isn't a problem. It has superior AA guns.

If I am sent to support the north/south areas, that means both east and west areas
of the South or North. I have to send my fighters up to shoot scouts and defend
against bombers. I don't need to send fighters up for dogfights with other fighters,
unless I want to. I can send my fighters elsewhere for intercept missions. If I want
to clear fighters from my area, I can do that too. With enough fighters, you will
defeat an enemy squadron. I send my fighters over enemy ships, to secure scouting
for my area's BBs. Sometimes scouts can't penetrate areas protected with enemy
fighters, so I need to send my fighters into enemy territory and open up the beach
head for bombing. If I send fighters over my own BB areas and am getting hit with
AA, I move my fighters away and let the Emdens and Moltkes handle enemy air
traffic. If I get grief, I just turn the CV south and send my fighters and bombers
towards other targets.

I stopped complaining about friendly AA killing my fighters, it falls on deaf ears. Just
move your fighters around those ships.

I am always looking for team messages like, "Bombers incoming middle", or "Hit the
ASW ship please". I try to support those requests.

CVs require more effort. Most players are lazy.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:56

clemo85
The trouble is though people would still be dumb enough to play GBII even if GBI was
buffed to GBII EXP gain -.-

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:43

Audessy
I'd love to play GB1's again but no one else wants to.

Simply telling people these things or making statements on the forums won't get the point
across. If you want people to start playing GB1's again it has to be done through the barrel of
a gun. A big gun. A gun like removing GBII, nerfing it, buffing GB1, or at LEAST hosting a long
event with +100% xp for GB1's just to re-orientate the masses and diversify the game types.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:35

V2CxBongRipz
"What about in the example I gave of CVs completely disregarding an entire flank? Is that
not worthy of a flame or two until a CV (even an at level CV1) comes to help defend that
flank? The same would be said to every BB player if this happened if they all went north
or south, therefore that is a legit reason to flame.

In a BB I too can scout, AA, dodge, fire (even blind) however, when fighter camped I
cannot scout, when surrounded by 10-15 fighers at varying heights and various positions
around my ship I cannot AA them all 100% effectively. Many games I have played in, even a
CV1 on my team can be useful when camped because it will distract most of the enemy
fighters so that my scout can get off the deck. However, there is one thing I would like
to ask: are you guys also using lv120 scouts that are so effective?"

That falls into CVs doing nothing. However resorting to flaming at level lowbie CVs is
terribly noobish.

"One thing I will say though against CV drivers is that if SDE/TNF decided to remedy the CV
shortage problem by either reducing the number of CVs in GBII and/or changed the flagship
to BBs, CV drivers will undoubtably complain and frantically/surprisingly come out of the
woodwork! Which would be kinda annoying since they choose not to play them in the first
place. "

All I see is people complaining about GB2.... Fuck GB2, play GB1 instead. EXP rate is
better anyway.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:32

nokia1980
"However I have not seen much in the way of complaints towards CVs over the
past month so the excuse of being bullied is kinda lame."

Really? we must be playing different games then, coz i see at least one person
flamming cv's every single game.

Edit: In the game ive just played their were comments like " brazilian cv's = blind"
and "noob cv's" even when we won the game.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:26

clemo85
*BBs that flame CVs are retarded. That is unless the CVs are doing nothing. In a BB I can
scout myself, If I have AA I can AA myself, I can dodge, and shoot myself so whatever
happpens is on me.*

What about in the example I gave of CVs completely disregarding an entire flank? Is that
not worthy of a flame or two until a CV (even an at level CV1) comes to help defend that
flank? The same would be said to every BB player if this happened if they all went north
or south, therefore that is a legit reason to flame.

In a BB I too can scout, AA, dodge, fire (even blind) however, when fighter camped I
cannot scout, when surrounded by 10-15 fighers at varying heights and various positions
around my ship I cannot AA them all 100% effectively. Many games I have played in, even a
CV1 on my team can be useful when camped because it will distract most of the enemy
fighters so that my scout can get off the deck. However, there is one thing I would like
to ask: are you guys also using lv120 scouts that are so effective?

My lv120 scouts are easily managed in comparison to lower tiers and their insane speed
helps greatly, but how many people do you see with lv120 scouts? not everyone uses the
best scouts available or even BVEs them so they are easy food. Especially against
fighters. Which is why CVs are important.

Idiots who flame CVs for the simple reason that they struggle against higher level/tier
CVs deserve to be in turn flamed for being completely retarded in not realizing that they
are outclassed. However I have not seen much in the way of complaints towards CVs over the
past month so the excuse of being bullied is kinda lame. The last time I played CV I was
PRAISED by BBs (shocker I know!) because I played the CV correctly and I know what CV
drivers have to put up with (I levelled a KM CV5 crew so I know what crap has to be put up
with) so my opinion is not being biased in anyway. Also, the F3 button works wonders if
your that concerned about being flamed.

One thing I will say though against CV drivers is that if SDE/TNF decided to remedy the CV
shortage problem by either reducing the number of CVs in GBII and/or changed the flagship
to BBs, CV drivers will undoubtably complain and frantically/surprisingly come out of the
woodwork! Which would be kinda annoying since they choose not to play them in the first place.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:19

Audessy
It's not as simple as dodging AA. If you scout with fighters and there's a 4 gold bar moltke
that knows what he's doing, at some point you WILL lose all your fighters. If there's 2x 4
gold bar moltke's that are skilled, it's almost hopeless. Moltke's are just an example of the
many nasty AAW ships in this game.

Thank god I use level 120 scouts to do the dirty work. But my method won't help any other
CV player out there that doesn't already have a BB6 of the same nation as their CV.

And what's supposed to be fun about hovering fighters over ships all game that are trying to
shoot them down? Your fighters are defenseless against them. I've suggested allowing small
rockets for fighters at the penalty of reduced speed and offense but it's simply laughed at.

The concept of a fully aa whore'd ship is just stupid in my opinion. You see them at the end
of the game unable to attack anything. A Moltke or Pensacola is perfectly capable of sinking a
BB that is unaware or even a Flagship. I don't like how they're allowed to be "BB's without
guns" in a sense.

  • Re : CV Shortage

    04. 12. 2011 11:16

SylverXI
It has nothing to do with micro manage etc. (which gets boring after 10 games even
if you win all 10)

The point of this post is to point out how boring CV playing is compared to BB/SS line.
That's is all. That is the cause of the lack of CV's.

Playing FP whore is the most boring thing you can play. Losing thanks to nub BB
players while you scouted the whole time watching your experts blown away by AA.

I have played AA. It's really not hard to shoot down even the best wel managed
planes. Especially planes that are not managed for 5-6 seconds are easy food. When
I lose FP in CV it is the 5 seconds it takes for me to load more FP etc.

Moving on, CV playing needs to become more interesting and NF needs to stop the
constant change in this class. CV's has undergo the most amount of change that
pissed of allot of player since the beginning of NF. Even so, the same dull gameplay
remained the same.

BB's have AA. How about these BB's put them to the test. Put better bombers and
scouts so players start using their AA. UK has AA, but not many(if not none) use
them. Simply because NF lacks bombers. To keep vision optimal, buff the scouts.

This is a game. Not real life. Thus, CV players also deserve to have fun.