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  • Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 18. 2009 13:35

Rengokuy
I swear this is the last suggestion for a while......

Ok, so you know the routine, 4 ships that will pretty much be the best AA ship for the
nation.

Features - Best AA ship of that nation., Large DP to allow for beefier crew.

IJN : C - Type AA Mod Standard - 7150t Max - 9200t 34knots
24 - 100mm/65 (12x2) DP
12 - 25mm (4x3)
100 DC


If the Hull looks similar than you have a sharp eye. The C-Type cruiser is one of those
Japanese plans that never made it too far off the ground. It is the same hull as Mogami.
Mogami was another mod of the C-Type. A whole series of ships based off a single hull that
would fill specialized roles in the main fleet. In this case, a heavy AA ship, using a
large number of the best IJN AA gun of the war. In game, she will be beastly. Of couse
if it was built they'd be rather top heavy...but whatever. She will require no tweaking
to make her suitable in game.

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USN: Worcester Class 13,000 t - 33knots
12 - 6in DP (already in game)


Hrmmmmmm, these guns look familiar. I always wondered what ship they went too, thought
maybe SDE made them up or something. They are very fast, and look super sweet as
well...I'm gonna name mine Roanoke just because it's way more awesome.
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KM - Undine - 4400t - 16 knots
8 - 105mm


Hey now.....I mean come on. If I can use an Emden, why woudl I want to pay for this
thing? Simple. Becasue in NF, ships don't have thier historic armament, and they tend to
be way faster than they are IRL.....So SDE will just bump the gunspace up on them so they
can use the 3.46"/ 76 Sk C/32, and these would be Better than the Emden.

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UK - Cavendish Class - 9750t - 30 knots
7- 7.5in (2 in wing mounts)


Hmmmm, It's pretty much an emerald...only much much larger. Way larger actually. Which
means I can put a full crew on it. (what did you people expect, it's UK AA)
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You need to take the historic specs with a grain of salt. The premise is to provide Hulls
that then mount the nations best AA weapon.

History is important, but once BB6 and 30 knot subs enterd the frame, it became apparent
that History didn't matter to much. Only 2 of these ships will need tweaking to make them
competitive, which is better than some things being added.

The ships will also have a VERY high AAW rating over other ships, as well as enough DP to
mount a full high lvl crew on it. Current AA ships can't do that.

As far as putting it in game, the C-Type could just be a mod of the Oyodo sprite, no new
guns need to be made for any of these.

Price - yep, SDE gotta make monnies after all. 3 - 4 USD should suffice for the Best AA
ship of a nation, yes?
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  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 21. 2009 15:12

Tacoman
You say nobody would use the Worchester as an AA boat... I say bah! I LOVE the
6"47 DP guns. That would be the fastest I've ever spent money on an online game.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 21. 2009 09:12

Stormvanger
Seriously, scrap the Wyoming idea. It was an old auxiliary at the time.

What you need, as previously suggested, is the US Worcester class. it was purpose-
built for the dual 6"/47 AA guns. The guns exist in this game, but no ship that can
effectively carry them exists. Give the thing 6 mounts with 100 space each, and it
will be able to carry these things with plenty of ammo, but will NOT be able to mount
the triple 6's or dual 8's so it can rape other ships.

Further, make all 6 mounts into T mounts instead, and carry no R slot weapons at all
(like some of the CV do), which would make their AA armament easy to use. Cap it
off with a killer AAW rating, and this ship would excel at this one purpose.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 20. 2009 16:55

askldjgowirg
with these way-too-powerful AA ship i think we need a 10 CV cap in gb heh heh

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 20. 2009 15:35

Genosaurer
"Ok after consulting the historian

(who wrote the wonderful book "Fleets of WWII" soon to be out in paperback)

Wyoming doesn't have a defined armament. It changed constantly depending on what
was needed for training.

"Guns came and went on a regular basis. You'll have a hard time pinning down exactly what
was aboard on any given date.""

Are you sure he wasn't just referring to secondary and teritiary guns? Every picture I've
ever seen (following the removal of the last 12" turrets) had the same "main battery"
arrangement of two 5" doubles at A & B, one 5" double and two 5" singles at S1, S2, S3,
and one 5" double at Y. The other barbettes were sealed when she was turned into a gunnery
training ship in 1931, and later had stuff like machine gun tubs and spotting positions
built on top of them - you can see the director built on top of Q barbette in the diagram
below. Certainly the number and position of 76mm (3"), 40mm, 28mm (1.1"), 20mm, 12.7mm
(50cal) and 7.62mm (30cal) guns did change depending on the number of trainees onboard at
the time, since those didn't have gunhouses and could be quickly added, moved or removed
as needed.

Do know of any pictures that show a different number of 5" guns, though? Here's a few more
with varying dates that all show the same 5" arrangement. (EDIT: Replaced with links)

1944 photo:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013201.jpg

1945 layout diagram (note that the deck on the starboard side deck was rebuilt for the 5"
gunhouses, while the port side remains unchanged):
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013233.jpg

Early 1945 photo (as anti-Kamikaze tactics research ship):
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013239.jpg

Late 1945 photo:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/013236.jpg

As you say, it's Navy Field, so accuracy isn't a must, but I think you're stretching on
this one. Oh, and sorry about the rapid-fire posting. I can browse the internet on my
computer at work...

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 20. 2009 14:13

Rengokuy
Ok after consulting the historian

(who wrote the wonderful book "Fleets of WWII" soon to be out in paperback)

Wyoming doesn't have a defined armament. It changed constantly depending on what was
needed for training.

"Guns came and went on a regular basis. You'll have a hard time pinning down exactly what
was aboard on any given date."

With that in mind, we can pretty much make her armament as we wish, within reason.

6 dual- 5in DP along the centerline where her turrets used to be, then the Dual and
hovwever many sings on the wings. That will make her considerably better than Atlanta.
Or however SDE wants to do it, the sky is kinda the limit.

Logically it makes sense. She used to be a battleship supporting Heavy Casemate guns and 6
- 12 in turrets. A 5in DP could pretty much go anywhere it wants too on her, the weight
of the 12in turrets gone, she would be so light topwise that extra ballast was propbably
put in.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 20. 2009 12:44

Genosaurer
"Wyoming has a X X - -X X X layout (i think) where x is a dual 5in DP, and - is a single
5in DP the 3 in the middle are wing mounts as well."

If you look at a picture of Wyoming taken from a different angle,



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you can see the layout is X X O O O X with one double turret in a wing alongside the
stack, for four double 5" and two single 5" guns total. Note that the side guns were not
duplicated on the opposite side (hence why all pictures were taken from the "good" side).
It's a very odd layout, but makes sense considering her role as a gunnery training ship.

Regardless of how much DP you give it, or how much AAW rating, or how much HP, I can't see
people choosing to use that over the Atlanta. Even if the single 5" gun positions could be
used to mount 2x5" turrets in-game it would still have an inferior broadside and very
inferior arcs.

EDIT: Here's a clearer picture that shows the three empty centerline barbettes, and the
missing guns on the opposite side.



As for Worcester, making the 6"/47 an A gun (useable by AA gunners) exclusively might
prevent it from being used as a Blitz ship. Although that would probably also make it kind
of useless as most people right now seem to use Reload gunners for AA and without its
special guns it'd just be a giant Atlanta. Hm.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 20. 2009 10:18

Rengokuy
Geno - The whole 1 less than emerald was in refrence to the broadside. Wing turrets are in
pairs...as said before this wasn't a clear suggestion. But! I completly forgot to go
back in time Danae class is perfect, and I will change it accordingly.
not so much in agreement with the Worcester class. No one would use that as an AA ship.
They'd use that as a powerful CL with heavy HA shells. Wyoming has a
X X - -X X X layout (i think) where x is a dual 5in DP, and - is a single 5in DP the 3
in the middle are wing mounts as well. Plus, this ship isn't that big, she doesn't
really Look like a Battleship any more, it's fine


V2 - pretty much the point of this, now you can run an AA ship with full crew

extre - interesting good? or intersting bad?

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 19. 2009 17:22

Genosaurer
For the US, a more fitting ship might be the techincally-not-postwar Worcester class light
cruiser (construction on the first of the class started in January 1945, although the
design dates back to a 1940 requirement and was finalized in 1942). Designed as an
enlarged Atlanta, they were the first ships in the world to mount a real dual-purpose 6"
gun. Twelve guns were carried in six centerline dual turrets.

The 6"/47 DP Mk 16 they carried, with a rate of fire of 12 rpm, would probably need to be
toned DOWN to be balanced in Navy Field. Still, I think it's closer to what the other
nations would be getting than the AABB Wyoming.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 19. 2009 04:55

ljsevern
There are plenty of AA ships around that are fantastic. Don't need a bunch of overpowered
AA ships being brought in.

  • Re : Premium AA Cruiser

    05. 19. 2009 01:07

To_the_extre
This is interesting
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