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  • Smokes

    09. 14. 2019 00:30 PST


whitegoli

I normally do not bother creating topics in the forums here, but I think this needs to be brought up

 

nerf smokes by increasing their cooldown in GB, or remove them completely. They're breaking the game mechanics between nations, this clutch needs to be removed.

 

E.g. MN gains more advantage out of rushing with smoke than KM would due their increased damage and no low range in compare to other nations. It's shifting the balance of this game and I want it removed. No longer smoking for players who panic and use it to compensate for their lack of skill. They gotta learn to deal with situations.

Nations who hit hard have their advantage from this, that being IJN, US, MN, RN and SN. RM and KM suffer from this the most, though RM always has the option to start dodging as their advantage is mostly turn rate and hitbox size, and judging from the fact that most players call RM shit, I'd like to atleast a bit more balance.

 

Also on a side node, wth is a russian bb5.5 allowed to go 39 knots??? this is pure fotm.

 

  • Re : Smokes

    09. 16. 2019 20:49 PST


x_qv_y
“It’s shifting the balance of this game and I want it removed” “Compensate for their lack of skill” “They gotta learn to deal with situations” Lmao maybe follow your own advice. You have a huge ego for someone who really has no concept of knowing how to play. But hey all we want is to make you happy... oh wait no one cares about you or your opinion. I think the only thing needing changing is your tampon.

  • Re : Smokes

    09. 19. 2019 02:55 PST


whitegoli

Originally Posted by x_qv_y
“It’s shifting the balance of this game and I want it removed” “Compensate for their lack of skill” “They gotta learn to deal with situations” Lmao maybe follow your own advice. You have a huge ego for someone who really has no concept of knowing how to play. But hey all we want is to make you happy... oh wait no one cares about you or your opinion. I think the only thing needing changing is your tampon.

 

Sadly you never wanted to 1v1 with me, so you shouldn't speak.

Apart from that, when you make an argument, you should be able to reinforce that argument, which you ofcourse don't. The only thing that you're good at is backstabbing your own fleet and camping in the back of the line. You and redraider should be thrown into the trash.

 

also, git gud

  • Re : Smokes

    10. 06. 2019 20:43 PST


x_qv_y

Originally Posted by whitegoli

Originally Posted by x_qv_y
“It’s shifting the balance of this game and I want it removed” “Compensate for their lack of skill” “They gotta learn to deal with situations” Lmao maybe follow your own advice. You have a huge ego for someone who really has no concept of knowing how to play. But hey all we want is to make you happy... oh wait no one cares about you or your opinion. I think the only thing needing changing is your tampon.

 

Sadly you never wanted to 1v1 with me, so you shouldn't speak.

Apart from that, when you make an argument, you should be able to reinforce that argument, which you ofcourse don't. The only thing that you're good at is backstabbing your own fleet and camping in the back of the line. You and redraider should be thrown into the trash.

 

also, git gud



lmao i've never wanted to 1v1 you because my time would be better spent watching paint dry then wasting my time on you.

Speaking of reinforcing something please do share which fleet i backstabbed? KT? lol they were all for the ideas that were presented to them. you were there when we were talking about it right? oh wait no you werent because you were a nobody. at least your somebody now in bamf... oh wait.. nope your still a nobody which is how you'll spend the rest of your NF career.. and life for that matter. 

  • Re : Smokes

    10. 10. 2019 06:38 PST


whitegoli

Originally Posted by x_qv_y

Originally Posted by whitegoli

Originally Posted by x_qv_y
“It’s shifting the balance of this game and I want it removed” “Compensate for their lack of skill” “They gotta learn to deal with situations” Lmao maybe follow your own advice. You have a huge ego for someone who really has no concept of knowing how to play. But hey all we want is to make you happy... oh wait no one cares about you or your opinion. I think the only thing needing changing is your tampon.

 

Sadly you never wanted to 1v1 with me, so you shouldn't speak.

Apart from that, when you make an argument, you should be able to reinforce that argument, which you ofcourse don't. The only thing that you're good at is backstabbing your own fleet and camping in the back of the line. You and redraider should be thrown into the trash.

 

also, git gud



lmao i've never wanted to 1v1 you because my time would be better spent watching paint dry then wasting my time on you.

Speaking of reinforcing something please do share which fleet i backstabbed? KT? lol they were all for the ideas that were presented to them. you were there when we were talking about it right? oh wait no you werent because you were a nobody. at least your somebody now in bamf... oh wait.. nope your still a nobody which is how you'll spend the rest of your NF career.. and life for that matter. 

''lmao i've never wanted to 1v1 you because my time would be better spent watching paint dry then wasting my time on you.''

time spent losing.

 

''lol they were all for the ideas that were presented to them.''

Thats why half of KT did stay behind right?

''oh wait no you werent because you were a nobody.''

Yet I was there to assist kt, because not everyone wanted to join Omega, it was redraider that tried to pull the fleet into omega. Sadly he failed, he tore apart half of KT and all the others were scattered or went inactive. You on the other hand were his little dog.

''at least your somebody now in bamf...''

You started raging that a BAMF member had leading rights on the KT discord. What did you want? Omega leading rights? I atleast stood up and helped the rest of KT who wanted to carry on, instead of trying to pull them out of KT. Ah yes, you just left KT and tried to pull out a couple members, and let the others who didnt want to come float around.

"and life for that matter. "

Funny statement, judging over someone's life that you've no clue about.

 

  • Re : Smokes

    10. 10. 2019 12:06 PST


ZechsII

The smokes were good since then and why would they be removed? The smokes had been around for a decade and if they wanted to removed it, they could have them downed together with Trade Area. Even if they are intended to be removed, it isnt close to be called "needed" to be removed.

The fact that you've said that you wanted to removed it from game sounds like everyone is entitled to demand their needs and/or its like that everyone will agree with you. You are not entitled with that. Not all "Smoke n' Rush" guarantees win or causes inferiority to a said Nation. IJN, USN and SN had  hang times (45 degree guns), probability of success in rushing with smoke is not that high if you know how to retreat while using KM or a with slow moving ships.

so now you wanted the SN BB5.5 to swim at 36 knots?

***Oh wait theres a riche running at 44 knots then throws a smoke.

  • Re : Smokes

    10. 21. 2019 22:23 PST


whitegoli

Originally Posted by ZechsII

The smokes were good since then and why would they be removed? The smokes had been around for a decade and if they wanted to removed it, they could have them downed together with Trade Area. Even if they are intended to be removed, it isnt close to be called "needed" to be removed.

The fact that you've said that you wanted to removed it from game sounds like everyone is entitled to demand their needs and/or its like that everyone will agree with you. You are not entitled with that. Not all "Smoke n' Rush" guarantees win or causes inferiority to a said Nation. IJN, USN and SN had  hang times (45 degree guns), probability of success in rushing with smoke is not that high if you know how to retreat while using KM or a with slow moving ships.

so now you wanted the SN BB5.5 to swim at 36 knots?

***Oh wait theres a riche running at 44 knots then throws a smoke.

SN BB5.5 has a little bit more range than a riche going 44 knots, dont you think?

 

They remove the smokes, or stretch the cooldown. KM BBs are forced to retreat all the time due to smoking, giving away space is also giving advantage the the opponent sir.

 

As KM BB, your job is to push and take space, if the opponent keeps smoking, its futile. Because the whole thing KM works around is pushing and fear. You know that when a KM BB moves in on you, you should fear their range. Which results in 2 possible outcomes. The opponent will either counter push/rush which can result in serious punishment, or he'll give away space.

You can also decide to shoot very close to their ship, the opponent sometimes thinks he's in KM range and moves out, this is to those who're not so experienced in playing against km or do it out of fear. You can make other bbs nervous if you constantly push them.

With the Moskva going 39 knots, the whole concept of KM being able to push any nation falls away. KM can no longer push SN due to their OPed BB that goes 39 knots with such an idiotic hangtime that it gains more advantage over KM. If KM pushes a moskva, the moskva can easily punish it. Because 1) SN has almost km range and 2) Moskva has a ridiculous hangtime which works very well in their advantage vs KM bbs who push. and 3) it goes 39 knots.

 

Smokes and Moskva should be nerfed, especially that second thing. Moskva needs to be nerfed down to 38 or 37 knots.

  • Re : Smokes

    10. 25. 2019 10:04 PST


ZechsII

Originally Posted by whitegoli

Originally Posted by ZechsII

The smokes were good since then and why would they be removed? The smokes had been around for a decade and if they wanted to removed it, they could have them downed together with Trade Area. Even if they are intended to be removed, it isnt close to be called "needed" to be removed.

The fact that you've said that you wanted to removed it from game sounds like everyone is entitled to demand their needs and/or its like that everyone will agree with you. You are not entitled with that. Not all "Smoke n' Rush" guarantees win or causes inferiority to a said Nation. IJN, USN and SN had  hang times (45 degree guns), probability of success in rushing with smoke is not that high if you know how to retreat while using KM or a with slow moving ships.

so now you wanted the SN BB5.5 to swim at 36 knots?

***Oh wait theres a riche running at 44 knots then throws a smoke.

SN BB5.5 has a little bit more range than a riche going 44 knots, dont you think?

 

They remove the smokes, or stretch the cooldown. KM BBs are forced to retreat all the time due to smoking, giving away space is also giving advantage the the opponent sir.

 

As KM BB, your job is to push and take space, if the opponent keeps smoking, its futile. Because the whole thing KM works around is pushing and fear. You know that when a KM BB moves in on you, you should fear their range. Which results in 2 possible outcomes. The opponent will either counter push/rush which can result in serious punishment, or he'll give away space.

You can also decide to shoot very close to their ship, the opponent sometimes thinks he's in KM range and moves out, this is to those who're not so experienced in playing against km or do it out of fear. You can make other bbs nervous if you constantly push them.

With the Moskva going 39 knots, the whole concept of KM being able to push any nation falls away. KM can no longer push SN due to their OPed BB that goes 39 knots with such an idiotic hangtime that it gains more advantage over KM. If KM pushes a moskva, the moskva can easily punish it. Because 1) SN has almost km range and 2) Moskva has a ridiculous hangtime which works very well in their advantage vs KM bbs who push. and 3) it goes 39 knots.

 

Smokes and Moskva should be nerfed, especially that second thing. Moskva needs to be nerfed down to 38 or 37 knots.




again no and I dont think it is.. you better be complaining if that SN BB5.5 would go 40 or 41.

Sir, thats the perk that KM has to do and offers to. A sniper cannot frontline on its own and besides, you could smoke and concile yourself while retreating then sling shot again.

So tell me, as a MN BB player would you rather take the glory as a KM BB player or other BB nations(to be fair) as getting smokes removed? The threat doesnt end there, (excluding the pro Manual TBs and DBs), with 15 DB planes in sight and you are busy doing things whether you are in a CV or a BB, the next thing you'll see is a screen asking you if you wanna leave the Battle Area. This issue about smokes being removed has been around for years. Back in the days, armored P.o.W. used to rush and smoke, pwning any ships it sees and only few complains. People figure it out how to counter by shelling it, threat over, same goes to Thermidor, L2, L2 2.0 and others with retreat and then counter attack. SDE nerfs the P.o.W. removing the tripples on B main gun slot but theres this one thing that they didnt removed, SMOKES. Sometimes if you know how to play a nation and its perk you dont have say your nation is weak due to smokes and getting you being overpowered by anyone. Oh yeah, you cant put alot of armor on SN BBs. Also, you are right to take space as KM a.k.a. sling shot, but is it 100% all the time that you are the prime target of that guy who throws smokes then suddenly rushes? Are there any other big ships around you like Montana, SY, Sovets?

About the Moskva, Do you know how to dodge the Hang Time perk of its guns or atleast evade? Although SN is next to KM by range, KM is still the longest, getting inside range is another story, KM has lame damage polar opposite to SN, terms of armor, not much. they rush? you retreat and sling shots, smoke gone, run at full speed, Moskva fires, anticipate its impact location, sling shot again. I tend to make mistakes, getting inside other BB's range while on a H44 is one of them. As I hate to say this, with RM, SN and MN came along, I see KM H44s and it's succeeding ships are now Support Barrage ships. KM will slingshot - other ships will take the loot from them or if you are resilient enough its yours. Some MN, SN, RN or RM BB5s rushes to Some KM BB then that KM BB retreats to Some nearby RN, IJN, SN, USN or whatever BB that is. Its not only the Moskva is the problem and threat, theres Shinano, Thermidor, Alsace, Borgia and many more. In the end its a team play game. Too bad SDE designed the Kriegsmarine battleships that way.

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