To start: the 16" Ds were not the intended setup - they were always supposed to be more of a "fun" one. And complaining about a second viable setup, when many ships don't have one, makes you look petulant. With the 14", Fuso is actually one of the best BB2s, most of which are actually solid ships that can easily dismember any BB6 that blunders into their range. The Ise is intended as an inferior Fuso that gets you the CV remod.

Frankly, most valid criticisms of the Fuso/Ise apply just as much to any other BB2, and reflect more about the state of the game than the ship itself. ANY BB2 is likely to have trouble in GB, especially at level. They can only pick off smaller ships and maybe get lucky enough for a bigger one to blunder into their range.

As to the Nagato, it's again a common issue seen across nations. Most BB3s are inferior to the BB2s they supplant in either speed, firepower, or both. They instead get range, which is a big deal, and that tier is a good time to hammer that fact home. Yes, the Nagato is less likely to sink anything than the Fuso, but it IS more likely to get SOME attack against larger ships. It's a very different ship that supports a very different playstyle, but is still a perfectly serviceable ship with its own role, especially with its armor piercing HE shells. Would I rate it among the weaker BB3s? Maybe, but I'd still rate it above the Strasbourg, Caracciolo, and Hood.

As before, most of the valid criticism of the Nagato holds for most BB3s, and is more about a game state where they're thrust in battle against 5.5s and 6s without a chance to shine or even show how they compare to each other. You'll tend to find the same issues in most nations at the BB1-3 tiers.

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To start: the 16" Ds were not the intended setup - they were always supposed to be more of a "fun" one. And complaining about a second viable setup, when many ships don't have one, makes you look petulant. With the 14", Fuso is actually one of the best BB2s, most of which are actually solid ships that can easily dismember any BB6 that blunders into their range. The Ise is intended as an inferior Fuso that gets you the CV remod.

Frankly, most valid criticisms of the Fuso/Ise apply just as much to any other BB2, and reflect more about the state of the game than the ship itself. ANY BB2 is likely to have trouble in GB, especially at level. They can only pick off smaller ships and maybe get lucky enough for a bigger one to blunder into their range.


Okay in fairness I did eventually go to the 14s and found that to be a better setup simply down to the DPM increase over the 16s and the very very slight range increase. However the nagato still feels like a lesser BB3 even compared to other BB3s. my knowledge as far as USN/UK/MN is limited due to having played those nations over a decade ago and forgetting what they were actually like as my old account wasnt a BB main. However going from RM to SN to IJN has showed just how weak the Nagato is compared to the others. I would much rather take a RM BB or a Krons. Which the krons is a far better ship all round than a Nagato. However using these nations makes it seem as if these ships have been power crept (which they have and we all know it) but in a game where ships are so closely matched it shouldnt feel such a difference. Yet it does feel like Nagato is far inferior to something like a Krons. Even down to the EBB (fuso/Ise lookalike) its far better than the Nagato simply because it can have those L versions of the 16s that the nagato gets while maintaining a much better salvo. Now the light at the end of the tunnel being that Yamato is such a nice change up. the 18s hit so much harder the range is actually comparable to a BB4/5 and allows an actual AA setup that can be used as a nice means to get into range with a weaker crew if you can blind the enemy...

I had a hoot in the Fuso. Thinking about getting one again.
The problem is purely the GB only play. BB123 are best in normal rooms, which aren't played since the introduction of GB's.