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  • CV role in GB

    09. 11. 2011 13:22


Vlad381
OK, so I just want to start by saying I know CV is supposed to have a supporting role and give vision. I am aware of all the arguments over "noob" CVs causing battle losses and I won't get into that. I'm a BB player and I don't assume I can tell a CV what to do. If my team loses I blame nobody.

However, I noticed a few games I played today some very well played CVs doing a lot of DB-ing and winning the game by taking out key BBs at key times. What also surprised me is we had good vision because the bombers were "scouting" while looking for a target and they took out the other team CVs early so they had less scouting and less air cover.

What I want to ask you, is this not an acceptable way to play CV if you are good enough to do it? Maybe this was an isolated case but why is it that CVs are just expected to spam fighters when they can clearly impact a battle in other ways, sometimes quite dramatically (e.g. provide vision with bombers then do some damage, then leave the empty bombers on scouting duty)? Think if one team gets a CV bombed before the BB lines are even properly engaged, that's a clear advantage. Most BBs don't AW so a same tier CV should be able to cripple them in one good strike, no?

 

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 13:48


GTMaddtim
To me, the CV needs to run 1 of 2 roles as it's primary function:

1.)Scout the enemy BB's - usually done with FTR's as they have better sight range than bombers
2.) Keep enemy FTR's off friendly BB's so they can scout themselves.

Now, HOW this is accomplished is up to the CV player. If they want to bomb the enemy CV's so there are no FTR's to worry about, GREAT. As long as they actually accomplish this mission and don't get the bombers simply eaten by the enemy CV. Too many times I find myself in a BB, unable to launch a scout because the enemy FTR's have me capped. I need the CV to step in at that time and help scout. If they can't because all they have are DB's or TB's AND they fail at sinking the CV that has the planes over me, then our team will lose, no matter the skill of the BB's on our team.

I will say, many times I have seen plenty of BB fail play as well. Enemy is perfectly scouted and BB's rush out piecemeal and get themselves sunk. NOT THE CV'S FAULT. It needs to be a balance. I think the main complaint that most BB drivers have is that a BW CV, while capable of inflicting plenty of damage on the enemy, cannot stop a BB rush, while a BB with sight can, due to faster attack ability. THAT'S WHERE CV FAIL COMES IN. Playing as an individual simply to get attack instead of helping your team get a win(and more XP for themselves in the process).

Scouting CV's simply provide more help for their team on average than a BW Cv does. Simple as that. And thus the attitude that BW CV's are fail.

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 14:46


Eradicator1
Originally Posted by BadSpecS

please dont post useless posts that have been debated like 50 times. it just ends with people trolling :)

But you guys don't get it which is why it needs to be spammed

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 15:31


Plazmadj
Originally Posted by Eradicator1

Originally Posted by BadSpecS

please dont post useless posts that have been debated like 50 times. it just ends with people trolling :)

But you guys don't get it which is why it needs to be spammed


If they don't get it by now, what makes you think spamming it will be any different?

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 15:50


Eufonioum
11 IJN Dive Bombers may 1 shot any BB3 and below ships. 1 run can do up to 42k damage, with no crits. That means it can sink an enemy PCV unless it has insane SD.

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 16:12


Eradicator1
Originally Posted by Eufonioum

11 IJN Dive Bombers may 1 shot any BB3 and below ships. 1 run can do up to 42k damage, with no crits. That means it can sink an enemy PCV unless it has insane SD.

Nope

Have fun getting through that submergeance

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 16:13


Bloodlines
Here's a thought on what I think a cv's first priority should be, ehmm you ready for this

Air Superiority, Wow and then once they get it do what ever pleases them. I know in the real world (yes I know NF =/= RL) that is what a cv's first role is. With out it you leave your whole team, country whatever you want to call it but the guys you are fighting for and with to die. Plain and simple.

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 16:41


Eradicator1
Originally Posted by Bloodlines

Here's a thought on what I think a cv's first priority should be, ehmm you ready for this

Air Superiority, Wow and then once they get it do what ever pleases them. I know in the real world (yes I know NF =/= RL) that is what a cv's first role is. With out it you leave your whole team, country whatever you want to call it but the guys you are fighting for and with to die. Plain and simple.

BB's first priority should be Sea Superiority.

Too bad they suck at it

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 17:01


Ultra_Dog
Originally Posted by Bloodlines

Here's a thought on what I think a cv's first priority should be, ehmm you ready for this

Air Superiority, Wow and then once they get it do what ever pleases them. I know in the real world (yes I know NF =/= RL) that is what a cv's first role is. With out it you leave your whole team, country whatever you want to call it but the guys you are fighting for and with to die. Plain and simple.


This is the only correct answer.

I played last weekend and unquestionably, this is the game-changing difference. Air superiority (achieved ONLY with fighters), allows bombers and scouting. Neither of which can succeed if air superiority is being controlled by the opposing team.

I watched FWs go belly-up...because they could not attack ships. I watched BWs lose squadron after squadron to superior fighter control. You need both to achieve victory. But a FW and a BW on your team is pretty handy if they coordinate their activities.

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 18:19


normpearii
I don't really care what the CV Does.


As long as it helps and team and they are effective at it. (Yes that means you guys bomber whoring into fighters need work, See this way too often)

  • Re : CV role in GB

    09. 12. 2011 20:41


maxflo
CVs role is to scout for me when I either can't or dont want to and bomb BBs that I cant or dont want to sink... Do it NOW ****** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



*Edited for language - Ny*

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