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  • Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 15. 2009 04:23

Sumoben
Well, some think Vanguard is junk, and others think its perfectly fine...

I think a good way to fix this is maybe to change the turret setup of the Vanguard to
Trip Dual Dual Trip. With the 30 deg angle, its easier to hit, but with the spread,
even at higher levels, makes it not worth using over the L1. The whole point of the
Vanguard change was to make it a long(er) range BB4 (In comparison to L1). But it
lacks the firepower (and or spread, yes debatable) to be worth using over an L1.
You can SW an L1, you can AW a L1, and it has the firepower to use two trip turrets
without actually sacrificing much. It makes the Vanguard's range advantage moot.
I've only seen a few Vanguards since the patch, its pretty obvious that theres a huge
difference between L1 and Vanguard.

With the Trip Dual Dual Trip setup, the spread could be slightly tighter, increase the
gun accuracy slightly, and firepower would obviously made on par with a BB3 if not
BB4, since you do the same damage as QE can at higher range as it is now.

I also understand that playing L1 to L2 keeps the same general playstyle, so it is
easier to use, there should (needs) to be some kind of incentive for at least some of
the players to use Vanguard, at least, not only because of the "Oh, I did this line,
now i'll go this line" concept.

In the end, L1 is just too versatile to use the Vanguard over it, you might as well
stick to your PoW or Nelson than using Vanguard. Quads hurt like hell when they
land, and the 16 trips on Nelson also hurt like hell with decent range and excuse the
l33t speak, uber gun placement. And if you use quads on a Nelson and land a block,
its usually GG for that bb (again, debatable).

Whats your opinion?
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  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 22:39

Noricer
Sorry Sumoben but this thread is going out of lines - better lock this, the off topic
discussions will never end.

Thread locked

Thomas/Noricer

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 16:08

ljsevern
Heroes;

You have absolutely no idea what happened in ONF2 with Obst and Gruven.

If you honestly think they did a better job, then more fool you.

The community had absolutely no say in ONF2. The testers had no say in ONF2.

However, as head of ONF 3, I have made sure both the community and the team as a whole has
a say, and nothing will go ahead in ONF3 without the approval of the majority of the team.
The forums have been changed to reflect this, as has the organisation of the team.

I suggest you go read the ONF Update by Mailman.

If you wish to debate this further, you are welcome to PM me, as is any other member of
the community, regarding ONF.

SDE has requested that what we are doing remains confidential, unless they wish us to
release information. It is exactly the same when you are in TNF. I suggest you get used to
it, quickly.

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 15:01

HeroesWar
I agree Hero, sometimes we post in the same threads and sometimes an answer is
aimed at me or you and not sure whether to reply or not thinking its me when its
actually for you

If the poster doesn't mind copy and pasting this over in the other thread I would be
happy for this thread to be deleted or locked?

I would rather not fall out with members over nothing really.

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 14:46

Noricer
Ouch! SORRRRRRY HEROEN!!!!! My bad, my fault - mea culpa - I hope you can forgive me my
absolut bad mistake!!!!!

Its HeroesWar this time ^^

So let me plz change it to HeroesWar and LJ - Gentleman ........please

Sorry again Heroen ( oh no Im sure Ill get an enter in a Modfail thread somewhere in a
Fleet NF-Forum ^^)

Regards
Thomas/Noricer

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 12:58

HeroEnVec
"Heroen and LJ - GENTLEMAN!"

pff, its not me this time ^^

I agree with Lj on this one, this is a dead horse... and we are beating it to death.
Having one open post on the subject is worth while.

Although, as a warning, I am going to make a new nelly post in the next few days if my
searches don't turn one up that is worth while. ^^

<3

Hero

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 10:47

HeroesWar
I fully support ONF I just dont think you respect some of the playerbase for making
suggestions.

The problem here is LJ that we dont know what ONF do for testing so people make
suggestions good or bad on what they think might work, so it might be stupid it
might be something you have never tried.

I agreed with you that this post should have been in mine, I dont direspect you as a
person, player in this game or the knowledge you have. I dont like how you talk to
some people regarding even a suggestion and telling a mod to lock or an abrupt
answer like"no" etc

For me I might now represent SDE but how would you want it to go with answers
like that, perhaps as a suggestion would it be ideal to do what OBST did in ONF 2
and give the playerbase an idea what you are doing and keep it to one thread so
everyone can see what suugestion have been made, what is totally stupid and what
might be worth looking into?

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 10:33

Noricer
Heroen and LJ - GENTLEMAN!
please, please, please, please,please, please - BACK TO TOPIC!

This is not the "lets discuss about ONF" thread no whining no flaming no drama in here PLEAZE!

Thank you !


I better change my avatar to papa smurf ^^

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 10:02

ljsevern
I have a problem with you flaming ONF especially considering you are now representing SDE.

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 16. 2009 05:27

HeroesWar
you have a problem with that LJ?

  • Re : Vanguard.. Mixed Opinions..

    10. 15. 2009 13:59

ljsevern

"ONF thought they "fixed" it with BB345AA, but they didn't, its obvious because there
should be at least a few people choosing Vanguard, but 95% of players are still
taking L1 or regretting taking Vanguard because its underpowered as a BB4 in comparison to
all the others."

>>> ONF did not touch the Vanguard. The one you have now is the product of a few
individual players getting it wrong.

"Those that do like it, well,I think you'll agree that at least the shell damage should be
fixed, its pitiful for a BB4.."

>>> Read my posts in the plenty of other threads on this topic. I am not repeating myself.

"Honestly lj, if you're not going to comment, then you're trolling.
"No" and "Requesting Lock" ..........yeah.. trolling."

>>> Honestly, go post in one of the other countless threads about this, rather than spam
MY section.


"As already said this area of the Vanguard is covered in my thread over 10 pages,
please read through that and you will see a large portion of your questions already
raised.

As with ONF I understand the concept by not giving too much info out for fear of
bashing from the community, however I look forward to the next ONF screwup or
maybe 3rd time lucky.

I wait and see "

>>> And you got appointed a Monitor?
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