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  • Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 04. 2009 21:32

HeroEnVec
Just thought it might be fun to bring this up for discussion. I am posting this as stream
of thought in a very "matter of fact" manner. My aim is to get your opinions of the
current state of things. What follows is a bit of fact and a lot of MY OPINIONS. So feel
free to post yours. :)

The overall question is, "Do you think the UK BB3's are properly balanced within nation,
and within the game at present." The rest is just discussion. Oh, and i don't care if
"its being worked on." I just want to hear the opinions of others. Get ready, I am going
to write a novel.

This is to go over the balance of the Hood, POW, and Nelly the first portion here is
strictly a description of the gunnery options of the ships

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the Most Used gun sets per ship are typed in beside the ships. Available gun sets are under.

Hood --> Mk3L
Mk3N (BB2 range)
Nelly 16" trip L
Quads of all forms including Quad L's.

Nelly --> Nelly 16" trip L
Mk3N
Quads of all forms.

POW --> Quad N (shiver)
Quad dual quad L
Mk3N
2x nelly16" 1x dual 14"
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Now, the ranges of these gun sets falls out roughly as follows if I am not mistaken

Dual Mk3L > Dual Mk3N > Nelly16 trips = 14" quad L >>>>>> 14" quad N

Worth mentioning here is that the Mk3L are the only UK BB3 guns with BB3 range. all the
others are BB1-2 range.
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My personal comments:

-the Hood
I think the Hood is the only true BB3 in the UK flock at this point in time. The other
ships have too many negatives to be capable in BB3 style battles right now. I think the
Hood has been balanced well, but I DO NOT think it should be able to mount the nelly trips
or the POW long quads. Regardless of how useful some here think these set ups are, its
more about having diversity in the ships. The reason to get the nelly is to have Huge
power and armoring ability. To allow the Hood to hold the same (and more of the same)
guns as the nelly violates this. While we are on that subject...

-The Nelly
The Nelly is in decent shape at present. The Nelly 16"L are good guns. At lvl, their
spread is quite random, but that's just the way it is in this type of ship. The Nelly is
inherently a weak ship due to having an inability to mount scouts (the only BB in game
with this handicap) Thus I personally believe the range of the nelly 16" should be
increased to equal that of the Mk3N gun set. Further, I think this "L" variant of the
nelly 16" should NOT be usable on the Hood or POW. If the nelly is going to be scoutless,
it should have a Serious Serious Serious bite when it can see. Right now, the nelly hits
a bit harder than the other BB3's, but due to the lack of range, this is negated.
Extending the Nelly 16" range and making the guns off limits to other UK BB3's would be a
win in my eyes.

-The POW.
Ah the POW... At required Lvl 82, its the Highest level BB3 in game. Yet, barring the
crowd of 14"N blocking quad lovers, its the worst BB3 in game. Post ONF2, the POW was
supposed to use the quad dual quad 14"L gun set for BB3 style battles. The thing is, that
set up is HEAVY, has less range than some BB2's in game, and hits with less force than a
QE UK BB2. From my trials of this gun set, with full 120 crew, I also found the spread to
be Far worse than the other BB3's.............. Here I was going on a rampage discussing
the ship and
how it works in battles vs other BB3's, but I am going to break this down and give an opinion.

In KM, you have two BB3's. they both use the same basic gun, but one has 4 dual gun
turrets while the other has three trip turrets. why not do the same with POW and the
Hood? In my UK loving mind, I would love to see POW mount a set of HEAVY triple Mk3L.
Heavy enough guns that the ship would slow down to 42-45 knts max speed. This would be a
special gunset for the POW that the Nelly and Hood could not use. Then, we could just get
rid of the 14"L, as nobody uses them anyway. Further, the 14"blocking quad guys would
still have their ship. I feel this would make the POW a viable option in the BB3 realm,
and would make it worth of its lvl 82 requirement.

So, in closing, the Hood, Nelly, and POW would have their own individual gun sets that
other BB would be unable to use. Further, each BB would play quite a bit differently, and
people could choose which ship they want for individualized tastes and play styles.

Hope this was a fun work of fiction for all of you whom actually looked at it. :)

Hero
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  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 15. 2009 03:38

JayZee
Using the trip 16" on nelly is not bad, nice damage and range. You just need to know how
the spread works and you can land some nice spread on the bbs.

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 21:57

HeroEnVec
As I wager I've said previously in this thread, I am presently working my way back through
the KM BB lines. With KM BB2's gne and O-pro (running duals) I never had a problem
dispatching UK BB3's running quads or 16" guns. They are slow and have less than average
BB2 range. I can do the same with a sodak or POW/Hood/nelly running Mk3N(l)guns. In my
opinion, the range is just too short to be of any effect.

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 14:36

Ziro820
"The hood has to rely on either range or surprise, but either way it can do similar
amounts of damage in a single volley due to its four larger gun slots."

If you have played the Hood and used guns that maximizes the Hood's ability (15" Mk3 L,
42knt), you will know a 40k salvo is impossible without massive crits. Maybe with the 16"
(16" Mk1 L, 37knt) and epic ninja-ing you could get 40k a salvo. So to say, having larger
gun slots doesn't necessarily mean you can produce the same damage as ships with smaller
gun slots.

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 04:06

Alex1884
Interesting topic!

Putting beforehand I haven't got a leveled RN line, my impression is that many of you
are right something has to be trimmed on its bb3s...

The critical point of the discussion IMVHO is that in NF it's not that easy to set apart
firepower from range, because the only trimmable variables in a ship-perspective are
gun-size and gun-weight: it's almost impossible to grant a ship more firepower and
less range than another ship's if you keep the SAME NUMBER OF TURRETS.
This is the main issue IMO in balancing PoW and Nelly...

Hood is almost no doubt TOO BIG in her shape, at least compared to the other 2 UK
BB3s. The only advantage in this is that she has a tremendous Z/C sling shooting
advantage, but even enemies can hit her more often....

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 03:49

RickyCheung
In my view of point.UK bb3 is not the worst..they are the best bb3

i have used POW and Hood in game..

POW

i think it's the most favourable ship in game rather then Lions....

I can get attack over 100k in many games with Quad 14 N,even i am using the Lion 1
i

still think it's the best ship,as the average attack made my POW is higher then Lion
1....

Put 15" mk3N in POW is not suitable.i think put them on KGV with 11" deck is better


Hood

not a bad ship whicj has 24500 dp..you can put 4x16" mk 1 L on it..you can get huge

fire power..or you put 4xquad L...16 ammos..also crazy in it...Or with block 14 N on it.

the fire power is over the MONTY....





In conclude i think uk bb3 is the best..especial POW

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 03:44

RAMJB
I have never seen an O2 one shot a BB5, or even 2 shot a BB5. I 2 shot BB5s and
occasionaly 1 shot BB5s (with crits) with a 3x triple 16 nelson.

Its enjoyable landing a full salvo on a BB5, then watching it go into the yellow with 1
salvo, then watching the guy panic and try to turn away.

I have done 20k salvos with a 3x triple 16 nelson with only about a 50% hit rate
from the salvo...

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 03:36

RAS_blizzard
"Sry but this is simply not true."

You're wrong there. The simple fact is (without twisting words or saying that
damage/volley is a poor way of measuring damage) that UK has the most damage
per volley at BB3.

I know from experience that a 3quad nelson can score upto 40k attack with a single
volley, and if you're really being pedantic enough to suggest that we should take
ship speed and reload into account, then the POW's speed in 2 quad setup means
that it can easily land 40k damage before an enemy ship can turn and run. The hood
has to rely on either range or surprise, but either way it can do similar amounts of
damage in a single volley due to its four larger gun slots.

In the future can we avoid dismissing someone's argument by just saying 'uh... no.
You're wrong.' and look at the facts?

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 09. 2009 02:09

hidden69
"This is because UK BB3 have a higher damage per salvo."

Sry but this is simply not true. Opro2 with 9 shells does easily 20k+ / salvo (talking
about in battle experience not testing in a closed environment) combined with a reload
that is insane and 30 degree guns and a speed that outruns all BB3s except unamored sodak
and pow (44knt with all 3 guns). In a gb2 you a lot of luck to not get above 100k attack.
Also consider that the uk reload is a lot higher then of any other nation, so a
comparition of damage / minute would be a lot more accurate then a damage / salvo.

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 08. 2009 21:39

RAMJB
I personally believe that the Nelson has tremendous potential in GB. I have been
using my nelson again in GBs and having fun hunting BB5. In a BB3 room, it would
suffer against an equally skilled opponent though. Lower range combined with a
poor turning rate would mean a bismarck would eat you up quickly.

Unfortunately, due to the state of skill level, it is damn impossible to judge the state
of BB based on player performance. I base all my opinion on my own personal
experience. I have PoW, Nelson, Bismarck and Nagato, and I have used NoCal,
Sodak and O2 many times before.

When I use my bismarck (the non UK ship I have been using the most recently) , I
do not fear Nelsons at all, since 95% of nelson players do not know how to use the
ship properly. I also see hoods as food, since their reload rate is much slower, they
are MASSIVE, and they have lower range. PoW go into the same category as the
Nelson. 95% of people dont know how to use the PoW properly, so I do not fear
them at all.

I personally believe that UK BB3 are at a disadvantage in BB3 rooms. They are more
suited to GB rooms, however due to the current skill levels, its easy to farm both
types of rooms.

Similarly, in BB3 vs BB3 combat, UK BB3 are at a disadvantage, due to already
mentioned reasons. However, in BB3 vs BB5 combat, UK BB3 are at an advantage
compared to other nation BB3. This is because UK BB3 have a higher damage per
salvo. You can afford to chip away at each other in BB3 vs BB3 combat, however
when it comes to fighting a BB5, you need to get into range and land a salvo hard
and quickly and then get out of there, or to make the BB5 panic. BB5s very often
panic when you land a big salvo on them, which makes them much easier to kill.

  • Re : Current state of UK BB3's

    12. 08. 2009 06:20

DJDeath
I do not consider the Hood the star of the Renown line. Or at least not in its current
state. The Nelson is both a better BB room ship and a better GB ship as well (provided
someone helps you with scouting of course).

Now that the Bismarck has replaced the Vanny as the King of BB3 games, it seems that most
BB1-3 rooms are bursting of Bismarcks. While Hood is good at fighting other BB3s, against
a Bismarck though, its size is an extreme handicap. In addition, it's got nothing over a
Bismarck except its better support, and lets face it, that's actually a plus for any
competent Bismarck player, because he/she can squeeze more attack out of a Hood.

Nelson on the other hand can abuse the only weakness of a Bismarck, its low gun angles.
Its a game breaker, and a very good one at that, and also feels way more at home in a GB
environment.
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