"Maniac, right now at level 77 he doesn't fire a gun with a shorter reload then that one as fast as you claim. I don't care if other people were in the room, he must have had a magical hack from fairyland to fire as fast as you describe. I would say that the more probable explaination is that you were using something magical from fairyland to alter your perception of the world, instead."

Or maybe, rather accusing someone of something stupid like drugs, get off your high horse and admit you are wrong. I was there, others were there, he reloaded his 11's AS FAST as my 8's. You are an idiot if you think you can say I was wrong, when you weren't even there. Maybe he was hacking, talk to him about that, not me. All I know is what I and the others in that room saw.

"It's irrelevant anyway, your only claim is that one person was able to somehow (!) fire his guns at an absurd rate. The fact is that at level 54, everyone but Obst, apparently, fires those guns at 17 seconds a pop. Meanwhile the folks in their Yorks can fire block shot 8s that do almost as much damage, more per salvo since they have 9 shells compared to 6, and fire 3 times as fast. "

He wasn't lvl 54, he was lvl 60 minimum. Probably more like 63. Read, pre-gold. York shells do 700 with light he. P pro do 1200. P pro range my BC. A good P pro can take out a york before the york is close.

"And you nicely ignored the fact that you have about 10 gold bars running around in Yorks at any given time, whereas no one hangs out in a P Project past level 59, when they get the hell out of that ship. I don't care how bad you claim the Repulse is, there is a REASON you have that many high level people in a CA, and it isn't that it sucks. I guess next you'll be saying that the Nelson with 4x14" guns is worse than an O Project or something."
Wait, what's the point of not being in the BC when
A. you outrange all CA in the CA.
B. you outrange all BC in the BC.
you get more exp and creds in a BC, simple as that.
And an O pro will take a nelson, 1v1. In a bigger room, a quad 14 nelson is better.

"And the Repulse is hardly a 'bad' ship, as you even admit, if it's better then the US and Japanese BCs of that level. Face it, the York, along with so many other british ships, is just plain better then equivalent ships for the other nations."
Repulse isn't a bad ship, just not good. All it has is range, and if you are rich, armor (I'm lvl 69, and still not fully armored... 700k short). My guns spread about as bad as a low lvl P Pro. Even with correct angles I have trouble hitting anything smaller than a P pro.
Eugen is better than york. A good Eugen will take me out before I get into range, I've had it happen before. It's called Eugen runs, Eugen takes out york, york does 0 dmg. A smart Eugen will never have an issue with a york.

Maniac, right now at level 77 he doesn't fire a gun with a shorter reload then that one as fast as you claim. I don't care if other people were in the room, he must have had a magical hack from fairyland to fire as fast as you describe. I would say that the more probable explaination is that you were using something magical from fairyland to alter your perception of the world, instead.

It's irrelevant anyway, your only claim is that one person was able to somehow (!) fire his guns at an absurd rate. The fact is that at level 54, everyone but Obst, apparently, fires those guns at 17 seconds a pop. Meanwhile the folks in their Yorks can fire block shot 8s that do almost as much damage, more per salvo since they have 9 shells compared to 6, and fire 3 times as fast.

(nice edit) And you nicely ignored the fact that you have about 10 gold bars running around in Yorks at any given time, whereas no one hangs out in a P Project past level 59, when they get the hell out of that ship. I don't care how bad you claim the Repulse is, there is a REASON you have that many high level people in a CA, and it isn't that it sucks. I guess next you'll be saying that the Nelson with 4x14" guns is worse than a P Project II or something because it has less range.

And the Repulse is hardly a 'bad' ship, as you even admit, if it's better then the US and Japanese BCs of that level. Face it, the York, along with so many other british ships, is just plain better then equivalent ships for the other nations, and certainly better then the P II.

velius, I wasn't the only one in the room, I don't remember who else was there now, but OBST was DEFINITELY firing his trip 11 AS FAST as I was firing my Trip 8 L. People were astounded that he fired as fast as my guns reloaded. Others made comments on it.

I'm not pulling stuff out of thin air.


rofl you don't know why goldbar yorks are a dime a dozen? Because renown/repulse are most likely 2 of the worst BC in the game.

Renown = 6 14" guns with 18 second base reload, range = nelson quad 14 range = outranged by everything but trip 12 N alaska.

Repulse = 6 15" guns with 17 second base reload, range = Better than US and Jap BB of equivalent level, outranged by German BC and QE. And for some reason those german 11's from O Pro do more to my deck than my 15's do to O projects.

British don't get a good ship every time we get a new ship...
it goes...
Q class > Sirius (sure if you consider it good?.. not as you get close to lvl 45) > York > Nelson. Surrey (Pre-fix), Dido, Renown, Repulse, Hood are all skipped/not picked.

Maniac, I tested my reload speed yesterday, actually. I can fire the level 63 3x11"c34 Ls every 10 seconds. With level 73 gunners. That's a reduction of 5 seconds, which I am actually rather pleased with. By the way, I have 400 experts and 80 veterans per gunner, about 110% ability with a reload stat of 1500+.

That said, at level 54, the level I got a P II, my reload time with the 3x11" Ls was 17 seconds. No reduction at all, with > 100% ability. The reload time doesn't start dropping until level 58-60, and even then it's almost negligible. As in, maybe every 16 seconds, rather than 17.

Please try and avoid blatantly pulling crap out of thin air. At level 73 I don't fire every 8 seconds with a base 15 second reload gun. At level 77 or 78 Obst doesn't fire every 8.5 seconds with HIS 15 second reload gun.

Also, you neglect the fact that Yorks can blockshot, easily, at around level 54. P Pros certainly cannot. I think the fact that you see ZERO P Projects driven by people who have access to P IIs is somewhat meaningful. Since gold bar Yorks are a dime a dozen. I wonder why that is.

Velius

you say york gets of 3-4 salvo in one P pro salvo

I say... guess your gunners need a beef?

When obst pre gold and me a low lvl 4 stripe with rld gunners, he fired his 11's (~16 sec rld) as fast as I fired my triple 8 (8.6 sec rld). I had 50-60 vets per gunner and over 150 experts. Not great, but not gimpy.

"@Steelfire, which gunners are you using, bought high level ones or gunners leveled yourself? Sounds like bought. If so then try to play with leveled gunners for a real KM experience. Everyone can buy high level gunners, put them on low level ships and say that this ship owns everyone else."

LOL I did that, Used my own gunners from Z1 till D38...

Did 20k attack or more per battle with Z1 and single 5.9/55s

With D38 I used the Duals and did about the same...I wouldve done more, but the fact that you have 1 extra gun is negged by the fact that you are a bigger target and slower.

Now i have mid lvl good stat germans...like em a lot...3 stripe ddx and L class dont stand a chance...

Ya they don't need all the guns when uk armour is amazing, shit load of dp, shit load or restore and repair and the ONLY block shoting BB.

I'd be more affraid of Brit the German . . .

Airwind and most of the Nelsons only use 2/3 of their turrets as well; Airwind's old screenshots showed some of that empty for better speed, not as sure about the Nelsons, but it's gone to either speed or armour

"o pro and p pro II with trip 11 outrange all brit bb"

Airwind does 23/42 . . . Brit BB's have better overheat just they normally have armour.

You really ought to shut up now because grown ups are talking.
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