One thing to think about is range/muzzle awareness.

I ran a line up through a SS4 before starting on my CV line, I think it helps with
perspective and TBs. When you TB you can drop your torps at range and get splash
damage even with misses. Also with Torps your misses can still threaten other ships in
the line if you line up well and you can pounce on the odd submerged SS with TBs, they
don't run much bulge. All nice bonuses you don't get with DBs.

DBs may get you good attack... but you cant send enough at one time to one shot
a bb5+. With tb there is a good chance if done right you can get a bb on the first
go just get some skill and stop going the easy way out.

I have both...DB score decent hits EVERYTIME when they dont get shot down...TB
are pretty much AA immune. But you have to use like 7+ TB to be effective and they
all need to hit. Which is pretty hard with ships dodging AA FP and etc. BUT when
they do (with TWO squads of TB of 7+ = 14 hits) they nuke almost anything. If you
load 4 or 5 TB do almost nothing IMO. So this screws you over when trying to scout
with FP. Personally I like to use both. I pick my spots with TB and torp when i get
the chance.

"I've heard TBs also
give additional XP for each torpedo hit, unlike DBs."

they nerfed TB xp so that doesnt count

No matter how much buldge they put on... tb>dbs end of story

Furst dosnt know what he is talking about

So with this consensus on UK DB's being quite inferior to their torper's the big
queston still in the air here is:

Has the recent heavy use of bulge by ships to counteract all the cv's sub's and tw's
out there made torpbombing less viable then dive bomber's?

@Furst:

"Then there must not me much point in KM BB training gunners because they
are the worst atlest damage wise.

If one nation has the best fighters do the others not train them because they
are not the best or worst?"

False analogy.

BBs need gunners to fire their primary weapons - to go without them would make themselves
useless. Fighters are the most effective way to down enemy planes - without them, it's
difficult to achieve air parity. There's no alternative to gunners and fighter pilots.

However, there *is* an alternative to UK DBs: TBs! Those TBs have a damage advantage,
especially in the long run. Add this to the fact that required airplane space for TBs is
less than DBs and there's little reason not to utilize them.

Sure, it matters how you use it, what you enjoy etc. If you indeed find DB'ing much more
pleasurable than TB'ing, go ahead then - it's a game, after all. However, do note that
other nations have an advantage over UK in DBs, and UK has the advantage over the other 3
original nations in TBs.

In addition to this, TBs also present various advantages over DBs. For instance, they help
to remove the bulge of BBs, helping subs finish them faster. Bulge also can't be repaired,
so if a second wave is needed to finish them off, you don't have to worry about the BB
repairing. AA ships, whose guns are probably set to the golden angle, might have troubles
adjusting to the sea-level altitude your TBs fly at. TBs give you much greater flexibility
in choosing a target: You can change targets from, say, a BB to a submarine or cruiser as
torpedoes will be effective against smaller targets too, unlike bombs. I've heard TBs also
give additional XP for each torpedo hit, unlike DBs.

Hence, if you don't mind using either bombing mode, I'd say stick with
the Torps as on top of the various advantages associated with TBs, it's also what UK is
inherently most effective at.

Sure TB are nuke machines once you get past the bulge, but how long does it
take? 9 times out of 10 for me by the time I do make a dent in the bulge
another BB just kills it any way. Also when given the chance to take out a
crippled ship nothing sucks more than its bulge saving its life where a DB
probably would have killed it.

I find TB useful on armor whore ships, typicaly low bulge and CL,DD, and
especialy Subs. DB tend to work better on the bigger ships. Because of subs
bulge realy tends to be strong on many ships now, plus as someone said in
another post about armor if they add .2 to .6 belt armor it cuts damage for
torps by 1/2.

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Ok your a cv your not supposed to take out bb5+ your supposed to weaken them for
other bbs, and keep them scouted. and 10 dbs wont even take out a bb5 that has
900 sd it will take more then one run. While tbs do have a good chance of taking out
a bb5 in one run. 1/2 the damage is preaty high, i run .2 belt on all my bbs and dont
see much of a change in damage but i still use it, and no matter what nation tbs you
never wanna get hit by them.

Sure TB are nuke machines once you get past the bulge, but how long does it
take? 9 times out of 10 for me by the time I do make a dent in the bulge
another BB just kills it any way. Also when given the chance to take out a
crippled ship nothing sucks more than its bulge saving its life where a DB
probably would have killed it.

I find TB useful on armor whore ships, typicaly low bulge and CL,DD, and
especialy Subs. DB tend to work better on the bigger ships. Because of subs
bulge realy tends to be strong on many ships now, plus as someone said in
another post about armor if they add .2 to .6 belt armor it cuts damage for
torps by 1/2.

I keep 2 DBs on my UK CV4 because sometimes in GB TBs just won't do the job against
beefed up BB5s with 2 miles of bulge. I keep the DBs to do some damage to them
because unlike TBs they almost always do dmg. Yes they are UK and they suck but it's
better than sending out a flight of elite BVE TBs just to find they do no damage.