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Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
12. 03. 2010 18:35

rvail136	I would like very much to get some feedback on what people think about permanently banning BB1's from blitz rooms. My feeling is that, especially if there is only one BB1 in the room, balance is upset and whichever team the BB lands in almost invariably wins. I know of several players who have stopped playing here and gone to the EU servers (where BB's aren't allowed in blitz rooms) because they get tired of getting hammered early in the battle (my kids are in this group). I'm not saying don't allow lvl 60 players, just BB's. Even when there are two or more BB's in a room, they usually end up rapidly eliminating the DD's and CL's long before they start on each other. Response? UPDATE: Try this...build a new FF or a lowbie DD and enter a hobbit room...which is what the vast majority of new people play in. Wait until just one BB comes in...see who wins. We're losing far too many new players because they get frustrated by being smashed by a BB in one salvo. That's supposed to be fun? For whom? An alternative suggestion would be to not permit them into Hobbit Rooms...because they literally dominate those rooms out of proportion to their contribution to "fun." I agree, that in full-sized rooms, BB's don't have any real edge, but in hobbit rooms, their team always wins. That's not fun and has pushed away large numbers of new people from playing. UPDATE2: After a few days...see my reponse on page 2. It's really frustrating if you're on the side w/o either a (competant) BB or a CV...my kids won't play this game any more because they just don't like getting smashed in a shot or two. Most of you who oppose this move have been playing a very long time and are high level players, but those who are not so good, or haven't played long generally give up after a very short time. Yes, there are other rooms CA/CL rooms, etc, available but before youdispense that advice...try opening one, even at peak times and see if you can get enough people to start it. I've tried a half dozen times in the past several days (per the advice below), but not been able to start one once. UPDATE 3: So, at the least, ban BB's from Hobbit rooms! That's come up a couple of times, and is, I think a valid suggestion. Many are right...in a full size room, a BB's benefit is greatly reduced, but in the hobbit rooms...it's magnified.

rvail136

I would like very much to get some feedback on what people think about
permanently banning BB1's from blitz rooms.

My feeling is that, especially if there is only one BB1 in the room, balance is upset
and whichever team the BB lands in almost invariably wins. I know of several
players who have stopped playing here and gone to the EU servers (where BB's
aren't allowed in blitz rooms) because they get tired of getting hammered early in
the battle (my kids are in this group).

I'm not saying don't allow lvl 60 players, just BB's. Even when there are two or
more BB's in a room, they usually end up rapidly eliminating the DD's and CL's long
before they start on each other.

Response?

UPDATE: Try this...build a new FF or a lowbie DD and enter a hobbit room...which is
what the vast majority of new people play in. Wait until just one BB comes in...see
who wins. We're losing far too many new players because they get frustrated by
being smashed by a BB in one salvo. That's supposed to be fun? For whom?

An alternative suggestion would be to not permit them into Hobbit Rooms...because
they literally dominate those rooms out of proportion to their contribution to "fun."

I agree, that in full-sized rooms, BB's don't have any real edge, but in hobbit rooms,
their team always wins. That's not fun and has pushed away large numbers of new
people from playing.

UPDATE2: After a few days...see my reponse on page 2. It's really frustrating if
you're on the side w/o either a (competant) BB or a CV...my kids won't play this
game any more because they just don't like getting smashed in a shot or two. Most
of you who oppose this move have been playing a very long time and are high level
players, but those who are not so good, or haven't played long generally give up
after a very short time.

Yes, there are other rooms CA/CL rooms, etc, available but before youdispense that
advice...try opening one, even at peak times and see if you can get enough people
to start it. I've tried a half dozen times in the past several days (per the advice
below), but not been able to start one once.

UPDATE 3: So, at the least, ban BB's from Hobbit rooms! That's come up a couple of
times, and is, I think a valid suggestion. Many are right...in a full size room, a BB's
benefit is greatly reduced, but in the hobbit rooms...it's magnified.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 18. 2011 19:45

Fearlessjay	Well BB1s rarely have good enough crews to be to good for blitz and most often BB1s are hard to play in GB and usually wont do much.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 18. 2011 17:59

koala44202	Please don't. I like eating BBs in my MPro with 8" duals. Many don't know their angles and I've seen auto in blitz BBs. Hobbit makes it more fun against them because they don't have a giant range advantage. Small map=can't use all range.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 18. 2011 17:55

mary	heres my feeling on BB1's in blitz. most are noobs and run poor BB setups. i feel they should be removed, but i think the CVs should be allowed to stay for the hobbit map allows for easy killing of the CV which means its not such a major roll player as a BB with strong crew. i have had many of blitz BB1 crew that have turned games of 12-1 with ease. but i do feel that as a BB1 it has some serious disadvantages in GBs due to no range and normaly lack of SD. but your average BBs dont really pose that big of a threat i have sank many of BB1s with my tiger the 1 BB stack is just Split and go failure and noob hosts thinking 1 CV makes 1 BB which they clearly dont match unless the CV player is wise enough to sink BB first ( most are not ). have had a few BB1s in blitz i do enjoy it but i have alot of mixed emotions about banning BB1s or not. the hobbit map being a set room for blitz and most too lazy to change it to a more friendly map would mean BBs would never be able to play in blitz

mary

heres my feeling on BB1's in blitz. most are noobs and run poor BB setups.
i feel they should be removed, but i think the CVs should be allowed to stay for the
hobbit map allows for easy killing of the CV which means its not such a major roll
player as a BB with strong crew. i have had many of blitz BB1 crew that have turned
games of 12-1 with ease. but i do feel that as a BB1 it has some serious
disadvantages in GBs due to no range and normaly lack of SD.

but your average BBs dont really pose that big of a threat i have sank many of BB1s
with my tiger the 1 BB stack is just Split and go failure and noob hosts thinking 1 CV
makes 1 BB which they clearly dont match unless the CV player is wise enough to
sink BB first ( most are not ). have had a few BB1s in blitz i do enjoy it but i have alot
of mixed emotions about banning BB1s or not.

the hobbit map being a set room for blitz and most too lazy to change it to a more
friendly map would mean BBs would never be able to play in blitz

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 18. 2011 16:57

V2CxBongRipz	The only thing that did more damage then BB/CV in blitz was hobbit wars map.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 18. 2011 16:02

shade0343	Hobbit war is just one of the problems. It might be more to the point to make Blitz maps always random. It would certainly balance play a lot better. Both torpedo ho's and BB1's would be a lot more limited in opportunity to own the game. The balance algorith could use some work i agree. Both type of ship and crew ability need to be taken into account. The alternative would be a different blitz game of intermediate rank with a lower limit of lvl 30 upto say 85-90 on the upper end. Just a few ideas.

shade0343

Hobbit war is just one of the problems. It might be more to the point to make Blitz
maps always random. It would certainly balance play a lot better. Both torpedo ho's
and BB1's would be a lot more limited in opportunity to own the game. The balance
algorith could use some work i agree. Both type of ship and crew ability need to be
taken into account.

The alternative would be a different blitz game of intermediate rank with a lower
limit of lvl 30 upto say 85-90 on the upper end.

Just a few ideas.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 05. 2011 09:34

Mor_idin	I've found many BB1s in blitz couldn't hit the broadside of a Hood unless they were in close range, and even then it's iffy. BB1s, for the most part, have shitty accuracy (unless they've got some premium, vet loaded accuracy gunners). heck, I've been in there with a UK Revenge myself and couldn't swat a fly at long range. BB1s often aren't armoured like they are in GB games, you swarm them, they go down. any CA with dual or trip 8" guns, or even a PCL with the same "can" take a BB1 in a 1 on 1 fight. I've done it from both sides. as for balance, that's another crock of shit. I've seen a team with the 1 CV and 2 out of 3 BBs in the game on it, get annihilated, or at best an even game. yes, sometimes the BB makes a difference, other times, it's as useless as the rest of the team. the same goes for CVs. some are affective, some aren't. in the end, balance really doesn't mean shit in Blitz games as it does in GB games. and even then, crappy players all on one team, no matter how even, or stacked it is tends to swing things in a very one sided slaughter of a win. I'll take any ship from an FF01 to CA and I see a BB I'm going for it. BB in blitz = good xp for the smaller ships, even if they get sunk by it. now for the fun part. if you do take BBs and/or CVs out of blitz, you'll also have to take out the PCAs with the same heavy guns, and the hybrid CL & CA carriers like the oyodo/mogami out. what's next, complaining because the PCLs are too tough of a nut to crack? or that damned FF or DD moves too fast to hit?

Mor_idin

I've found many BB1s in blitz couldn't hit the broadside of a Hood unless they were in
close range, and even then it's iffy.

BB1s, for the most part, have shitty accuracy (unless they've got some premium, vet
loaded accuracy gunners).

heck, I've been in there with a UK Revenge myself and couldn't swat a fly at long
range.

BB1s often aren't armoured like they are in GB games, you swarm them, they go
down.

any CA with dual or trip 8" guns, or even a PCL with the same "can" take a BB1 in a 1
on 1 fight. I've done it from both sides.

as for balance, that's another crock of shit. I've seen a team with the 1 CV and 2 out
of 3 BBs in the game on it, get annihilated, or at best an even game.

yes, sometimes the BB makes a difference, other times, it's as useless as the rest of
the team. the same goes for CVs. some are affective, some aren't.

in the end, balance really doesn't mean shit in Blitz games as it does in GB games.
and even then, crappy players all on one team, no matter how even, or stacked it is
tends to swing things in a very one sided slaughter of a win.

I'll take any ship from an FF01 to CA and I see a BB I'm going for it. BB in blitz = good
xp for the smaller ships, even if they get sunk by it.

now for the fun part. if you do take BBs and/or CVs out of blitz, you'll also have to
take out the PCAs with the same heavy guns, and the hybrid CL & CA carriers like the
oyodo/mogami out.

what's next, complaining because the PCLs are too tough of a nut to crack? or that
damned FF or DD moves too fast to hit?

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
01. 05. 2011 08:41

rvail136	bumped

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
12. 09. 2010 20:11

Saladorm	lets just get rid of blitz completely.. make everyone start in GB's... this topic is dumb.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
12. 09. 2010 16:27

Happymeal2	Host ur own blitz, dont use hobbit wars. instantly gives that BB1 problems since everyone isnt clumped up in the middle. Use teamwork, 2 cas or even 2 cls can kill a bb1. unless its one of the AW UK bbs, in which case CAs still have some chance. Teamwork.

Re : Blitz Rooms: Banning BB1's
12. 09. 2010 15:44

LeeuwerikCZ	Blitz=BB=Hobbit map=fail

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