Hate to break it to you, but as the primary DPS unit, everything should be supporting
the BB in one way or another. Because the BB is supporting the entire team by winning
the game.. Otherwise it can't do it's job as a DPS unit.

It may not be historically accurate, but it's a game with DPSers and support units.. The
world revolves around DPSers.

The sooner this is realized and the sooner the "OMG BBs want to be king of the world!"
mentality goes away, the sooner the game can start getting some team work.

On topic, battery ftw. I still stand by my opinion that simple buffs/nerfs aren't going to
achieve anything. An entire rework is required.

I'm not comparing them to modern subs. please read more carefully. Where did I
get that information? Again, read more carefully. I'm a modern sonar operator,
where do you think I get my information? WWII sub speeds were declassified long
ago, and modern sub tactics are still similar enough to make vague references to
their speeds in comparison to surface ships. Submarines as a whole have very little
need to move quickly. They are stealth hunters, not slug-fest heroes. The sooner
the sub community in NF realizes that, the better they'll become.

Where did I get my information!? ROFL!!!!!!! That's a good one!

(I know you weren't talking to me, but he said the same thing I did, so if you won't
believe him, at least believe me. And if you believe me, you believe him. I can do
this all day...)

@Scmoo472
The US and most fleets do not carry BB's anymore. They are too costly and are not
necessary for modern ship combat. And even then, were did you get that information? Modern
sub speeds are highly classified. It's as important as their torpedoes and missiles.
-Onyex

No, most ss's of today can't. SSN's, SSBN's, SSGN's, and SSAN's can though.

Read the facts? I'm a real life USN Sonar Technician. I study the facts for eight hours
a day, seven days a week, six to eight months a year. Why don't you tell me about the
facts I obviously haven't read up on yet.

Also, I said most ss's of today. Not all. But remember that a fast sub is a loud sub.
In a battle situation (like playing in NF), subs don't want to attract attention, so why
would they go fast? Maybe they should concentrate on using submarine tactics as discussed
throughout this thread and others like it that you haven't taken the time to READ.

Maybe you should consider reading the facts and opinions of this thread before you comment
on them. Get the whole picture before you decide to look like a fool.

actually SS's of today can outpace most BB's we have now. read the facts m8 ;)

I agree with Megadone for sure,

subs aren't supposed to be able to keep up with a bb, much less chase one down.
you should be anticipating their movement and waiting for them to come to you, or
at worst, intercept their course.

Just look at the engine sizes of a sub. What on God's green earth has you
convinced that a 12-16cyl 2 stroke diesel engine could ever possibly keep up with
the massive engines of a bb? And those are the high end sub engines. Even today,
modern diesel subs don't stand a chance of outpacing a WWII battleship. This is
beyond comparing to Real Life. This is common sense. In essence, you are asking a
little Evinrude outboard to keep up with a Speedboat. Good luck with that. :)

And don't even start talking about horsepower vs displacement. I can see that
argument coming. BB's weight more but their horsepower is still more than they
need to outrun a sub. Subs aren't supposed to be fast. A fast sub is a loud sub and
a loud sub is a dead sub. Their engines aren't meant to make them move fast. In
fact, when submerged the engine isn't used at all. The sub is forced to travel even
slower as it uses up it's battery.

And don't even get me started on the battery vs. air debate. You all know how I
stand on that one. The very idea of relying on air to determine submergence time is
absurd!

IJN doesn't need rear tubes, they are SHIP KILLERS, not Sub killers, they were meant to
kill BB's quickly, not kill subs, your fault you chose that SS line.
- SS1/2 need a little less damage to them or more air time than SS3/4
- SS3/4 need nothing done to them
- SS's need a SD cap, 900 SD SS4's can take full monty shots without dieing, me, with only
500sd die to a PBB shooting me.
- IJN SS needs nothing done to it, it was made for what it is good at, killing capital ships.

Scmoo472

*With no SD an SS4 can't take any damage. FYI. It's only the SD on the SS's that make them
so resilient.

^^

1 - read topic before posting
2 - more air for T1 and T2 was suggested before
3 - subs are NOT HUNTERS, ther more like a silent predator..your not suppose to
chase ANY SHIP IMO, suggested and critised before...
4 - no, IJN T4 needs 2 front tubes removed and added to back...not just 1

:)

cheers
Megadone

More air for all SS1-2. Make subs bit faster so they can chase down the ships
instead of running out of air and being killed before even getting a single hit off.
Also, remove 1 torp tube of IJN SS4 and put it in the back. Reverse tubes are always
helpful.

your suggestion fails

lower lvl guns do more dmg on sub, then higher lvl guns...just FYI
all so just FYI subs surface resiliance was OPed before, and still IS on T4

so no it's not going back -..-

cheers
Megadone