@angus725

We'll see. That is, if he's not scared that the KM fanboy club will get pwned by a nub like
me.

@kinluu

That's why I suggest at least 10 battles. With a little sportsmanship I believe it would
show how well balanced the BB4's are but also show that the H39 is NOT the best bb4.
Merely better in certain situations.

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@kinluu
Wanna do some wager battles? My iowa versus your h39. How about my Yamato?
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What would that prove besides one of us beeing the better player? The real worth
of a ship is displayed only in a well balanced tier capped room or in FL games.

In a 1 on 1 situation without T5 scouts Yamato would be the better ship, because of
its AA capabilities.

If you were so much more experienced, go ahead and post this on the test server
discussion forums. Go ahead and recommend a range nerf. I'm not here to stop you.
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Don't post by saying it is fine.


Don't worry about it, it's not offending me.
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Good.


You have again not taken into consideration of the 1 kn speed, 2 turning force and
hang time issues. Once those are taken into account, the range is more or less the
same when swinging. Since when did 2 ships sailed always parallel to each other
without a change in range at all in a line fight?
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Epic submergence, smaller hitbox? I took in consideration the 1 knots speed.
Frankly, it is not only about H39. It is also about other bb4. We're talking.



SY and L2 range is not noticeable. L2 H44 difference is also extremely small that only
a tiny fraction of H44 players know how to use it. The range difference between SY
and H44 are noticeable, but still small enough that a SY can push a H44 in a line
battle.
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You are contradicting with your post. ....



Not sure what you're trying to say here, care to reword it?
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It means because you said in the earlier post that range difference almost null, which is
not the case. Because if the range is almost null, the probability and statistic, will not
give these numbers .


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Seems like any ship can do that to me; if I put a SS1 FCS on the Charlemagne, it
could probably have the same range as the Kaiser. Again, like I've said before, in a
line battle where both players are competent, the range difference should not make
a difference.
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Do we really take SS fcs to increase the range for maybe 1 shells out of 20?




Are you saying the L1 would be defeated by a Stalingrad with 12"s in a 1v1? or that
the Iowa needs a buff so it can penetrate an AW L1? As far as I'm concerned, a L1
will 2 shot a Stalingrad when the AW L1 rushes, while the Stalingrad's hangtime,
speed, turning force and spread when running will not be able to do enough damage
to sink the L1.
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No I am saying, it is totally wrong for that MUCH low caliber to outperform in term of
spread and armour penetration over the iowa, with uglier spread and inferior armour
penetration(iowa).
In short, why would Stalingrad benefit over Iowa?


Reducing the shell weight is not an option, screwing up the range of 3 sets of guns
to reduce armor penetration does more harm than good; and so what if SN can
penetrate armor? there is only 1 nation right now that is good at "penetrating
armor" with HE, and that's IJN's paperships. Long hangtime=good armor penetration,
unless you're willing to buffed the maximum angle of the 12" guns to 40, making it
even more competitive to the H39 in a line battle.
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That's our fault as testing team, that didn't take testing seriously. We got to change it.
We fail at it, we suck with it.
We take responsibility. Don't hide, don't run. We accept to offer suggestion we deal with it.
Also, it has been stated short time after SN testing the issue with 12" armour penetration.


L1, Richy, and the H39 are the counters to the Stalingrad with 12"s once the Richy is
properly balanced. As far as I'm concerned, the Stalingrad can be adjusted, but it's
current state is not as overpowered as you say it is.
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richelieu)Are we even sure richelieu is properly balanced?
staku)The ship may not, but the gunset is.
I will need to ask for clarification how in a linefight L1,Richelieu would counter where
line of ships in your team will backup?

You should test properly SN before saying that to me. As far as I remember,
you neglect crapload of details. You screwed the SNbb4.
You even told me in Xfire that you were an inexperienced at balancing.
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If you were so much more experienced, go ahead and post this on the test server
discussion forums. Go ahead and recommend a range nerf. I'm not here to stop you.

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Facts are facts, whether it hurts or not. Don't say something stupid, and I won't
bite. It doesn't matter if someone is friendly or not, I will prove my point.
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Don't worry about it, it's not offending me.

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1- . But hey, didn't you see the video where it is possible for Stalingrad to
completely outrange H39 without having one shells hitting back? If lucky, I will
have 2-3 shells hitting you while toss me 9 shells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqyeQqfeX0Q&feature=channel_video_title
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You have again not taken into consideration of the 1 kn speed, 2 turning force and
hang time issues. Once those are taken into account, the range is more or less the
same when swinging. Since when did 2 ships sailed always parallel to each other
without a change in range at all in a line fight?

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a)-If you call it non existant, then you are clearly saying to me that
SY=L2=H44 range.
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SY and L2 range is not noticeable. L2 H44 difference is also extremely small that only
a tiny fraction of H44 players know how to use it. The range difference between SY
and H44 are noticeable, but still small enough that a SY can push a H44 in a line
battle.

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b) 5 shots from H39 out of 40 shells fired, only 13 hit it. That's 27 shells
missed. While Stalin fired 45 shells, all of them hit even if I didn't kill it.
If the range was non existant, do you think H39 will have 27 of its shell
missing?
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Not sure what you're trying to say here, care to reword it?

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But yea, ask any user to put BC/CA FCS, to make spread worse in order to
increase my range, and that willl be only 1-2 shells hitting it.
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Seems like any ship can do that to me; if I put a SS1 FCS on the Charlemagne, it
could probably have the same range as the Kaiser. Again, like I've said before, in a
line battle where both players are competent, the range difference should not make
a difference.

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2-Tell that to UK user having those 12'' shell able to pierce L1,L2 armour while
Iowa can't. That just screw up the whole armour penetration.
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Are you saying the L1 would be defeated by a Stalingrad with 12"s in a 1v1? or that
the Iowa needs a buff so it can penetrate an AW L1? As far as I'm concerned, a L1
will 2 shot a Stalingrad when the AW L1 rushes, while the Stalingrad's hangtime,
speed, turning force and spread when running will not be able to do enough damage
to sink the L1.

Reducing the shell weight is not an option, screwing up the range of 3 sets of guns
to reduce armor penetration does more harm than good; and so what if SN can
penetrate armor? there is only 1 nation right now that is good at "penetrating
armor" with HE, and that's IJN's paperships. Long hangtime=good armor penetration,
unless you're willing to buffed the maximum angle of the 12" guns to 40, making it
even more competitive to the H39 in a line battle.

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Tell that to Richelieu,Iowa,Yammy,Vanguard,L1, none of them could stop it in a
BB room, where range is the key. H39 stopping a stalingrad? Good luck.
Because if I were to get in range, I am you sure you will shoot me by the time
I even start to push you or slinging you.
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L1, Richy, and the H39 are the counters to the Stalingrad with 12"s once the Richy is
properly balanced. As far as I'm concerned, the Stalingrad can be adjusted, but it's
current state is not as overpowered as you say it is.

You should test properly SN before saying that to me. As far as I remember,
you neglect crapload of details. You screwed the SNbb4.
You even told me in Xfire that you were an inexperienced at balancing.

Facts are facts, whether it hurts or not. Don't say something stupid, and I won't
bite. It doesn't matter if someone is friendly or not, I will prove my point.

1- . But hey, didn't you see the video where it is possible for Stalingrad to
completely outrange H39 without having one shells hitting back? If lucky, I will
have 2-3 shells hitting you while toss me 9 shells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqyeQqfeX0Q&feature=channel_video_title

a)-If you call it non existant, then you are clearly saying to me that
SY=L2=H44 range.

b) 5 shots from H39 out of 40 shells fired, only 13 hit it. That's 27 shells
missed. While Stalin fired 45 shells, all of them hit even if I didn't kill it.
If the range was non existant, do you think H39 will have 27 of its shell
missing?


But yea, ask any user to put BC/CA FCS, to make spread worse in order to
increase my range, and that willl be only 1-2 shells hitting it.

2-Tell that to UK user having those 12'' shell able to pierce L1,L2 armour while
Iowa can't. That just screw up the whole armour penetration.


Tell that to Richelieu,Iowa,Yammy,Vanguard,L1, none of them could stop it in a
BB room, where range is the key. H39 stopping a stalingrad? Good luck.
Because if I were to get in range, I am you sure you will shoot me by the time
I
even start to push you or slinging you.

KM range is NOT better than all other nations like it should be. If you think half a
milimeter is enough of an advantage, then you are a fool. KM cant armor, speed is
lacking (doesn't have best engies), cant take a hit, cant hit anything with consistent
damage, our spread is piss poor (doesnt have best gunners too)... ya, we are an
awesome Nation. HA!

All the nerfs every nation has ever recieved, UK got them in buffs. Nobody bitches
about them though because everyone seems to play them. Soon enough everyone
will be playing them... why play any other nation when UK has it all? :)

IDK much about IJN, so I cant comment there. My crew is only in the ISE (1937).

And if anyone here thinks KM is that awesome and has a BB4 US crew, let me know.
I will gladly trade my KM for them.

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Richard, play it in BB rooms/GB before commenting on it, seriously.

Range difference is non-existent with H39 spread.

Balls.... Outranging H39, better damage than H39, 39 knots,pierce UK armour,
good AA, takes moer hits than Iowa/Lion1

How is just that not overpowered?

Stalingrad isn't that overpowered, I personally suggest playing it before saying it's OP.

@Audessy
Kinluu would probably win.

"KM still has speed, so you can run away from the battle"

How is a H39 faster with 42kts and no AA (40 with aa and bulge). How can h44 get
away from anything at 39kts and every time you turn away your huge !@# is exposed
to allied block shots? This farce of KM speed has always baffled me.

I haven't played KM over a year but the ONLY BB5 I've found to be a simple kill is a
Montana (which says a lot about US as well) in the H44.

I still stand on my anti-alsace kick. Why own a Super Yamato when you can own a
french ugly ship that has better firepower? It's smaller, same speed, similar AA, and
better (40 max) gun angles with 3 extra barrels. Plus you can AW it!

@kinluu
Wanna do some wager battles? My iowa versus your h39. How about my Yamato?