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  • So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 19. 2011 02:33

darkWolfCZ
stupid Angus, or just SDE themselves? really best way to push everyone into buying
PBB...GRATZ.

Its even worse piece of poo over Mikasa, but thats just an collectors ebb no one ever
needs to play, not normal BB line ship. Spread is a joke, 4 guns have worse reload over
BB1s with twiceas many guns or more. Even if those blockshot from level 1st level you
get this, it would never be comparable to Renown, Kongo, Revenge or Guam, probably
not even for Alaska and no way against the hundred of guns on MN BB1s. I did play 3
nation BB1s in time of BB5 filled GBs(UK, US, MN, other two were before this age) and all
of em were were easily pushing 50k attack or more in em. This thing can easily just run
out of ammo before 20k by watching those 4 crap shells landing around target...

edit for language watts1875, formatting by angus725
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  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 23. 2011 14:16

Tyefen
It isn't the end of the world if all you do is knock a few planes down. Not every game
opportunity arises to do damage to larger ships, and everyone is going to be pretty well
aware you are a BB1 and about useless.

Your expectations should really match theirs more. You can cower and be opportunistic or
you can shoot some planes and smaller vessels. Either way, you are a BB1, and it is expected.

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 23. 2011 13:58

Lionel2
The pity party really needs to stop. Every BB1 in the game is the same. The guns don't
reach and have a terrible spread. They all get blown up in GB. Go drive Alaska or Nevada
in GB and see what happens. Someone already hit the nail on the head "All I can do is AA"
Exactly, just like every other BB1.

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 21. 2011 06:50

Konstanza
I have a SN bb now... Could a BB 1 any worse ? in Great Battle it is completely waste
of BB space... it is best to AA with it.. and as AA you take BB space... it should have
CA status in my opinion... Even Moltke is much much more useful than AP..

in Blitzkrieg it is only good to use the T slots to destroy enemies, that playing style in
bltiz sucks u ll be torped if u cant keep distance as BB... if you try to fire your main
guns.. it rarely hits with that level of gunners..

I think this ship only exist or is so bad in order to force players buy soviet premium
BB.. it really could not be any worse or useless...

thanks

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 20. 2011 16:46

bernie2k6
so i dont understand why they didnt design triple guns (because of 4h more work,
really????)...and yes its right every bb1 has a bad spread but there is no bb1 with only 4
shells!!! so the other bb1s still have more chance to hit because they have more shells...
and its not even possible to put the CA guns on (which have more range as the bb1 guns if
im right) because they are only 10"....
and then on top of that it has got not even a scout to make it the worst bb1 without any
questions...

so SDE designed the worst bb1 so we all need to buy PCA and PBB? or is this just a stupid
theory? ;)

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 20. 2011 15:38

angus725
The Borodino has a special set of guns >.>

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 20. 2011 05:02

darkWolfCZ
And this all is...why Mikasa is just an EBB...being the same junk. It has special guns,
unusable for normal line BBs. This is what AP needs, special set of guns unusable on
other BBs. Even thought with the crap spread BB2 guns on Gungut has(with level 70
11/12 bve gunners), I would say the two Gangut triples wouldnt do any better being
used just as they are on Andrei...

*edited by Angus - Fixed formatting*

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 19. 2011 11:44

angus725
How would you have done it?

When the closed testing team got to balance SN, our BB1 that we got from SDE was
this ship. Originally, it could use the BB2 trip 12" guns, take 2 full salvos from a
yamato and live. Neither of those would work on NFNA due to following reasons:
1. All NFNA BB1s excluding the yet to be balanced French BB1s have similar ranges,
while KM BB1s had slightly more. Giving a SN more range than KM in any tier was
decided to be unfair to KM, thus all properly balanced SN BBs should have around the
second best range of their tier. The BB1's sets of level 61" 12" guns have more range
than all the UK, US, and IJN BB1s with their at level guns; the Kongo with 14"s has
similar range.
2. All BB1s have high submergence value and low DP on NFNA. But no properly
balanced BB1 could take a full BB5 salvo and survive. In fact, the Yamato does a 53k
salvo, while the SY does a 54k salvo according to richardphat's tests. The Ap could
originally survive 2 full salvos from a Yamato due to it's insane submergence value.
Combined with small size, it would be close to impossible to kill.

When we were balancing, we thought about giving the BB1 a set of trip guns, that
would have worked due to the fact that SN has 5 sets of trip guns, but 3 of those 5
have the same ammunition and have BB3/4 ranges; changing the range of those so
they would work on BB2-4 would be a nightmare. A range change for 1
gunset+ammo takes SDE around 4 hours. The other 2 trip gunsets were for the
Gangut and the Izmail; the Izmail 14" guns weighted over 2,600 tons, and the
Izmail's displacement, OH ratio, and Engine was adjusted according to that by SDE.
Changing those guns to work on both the Gangut and the Izmail would make 2 more
or less identical ships while significantly increase the workload to balance ships that
were more or less already balanced.

I also buffed the reload and the accuracy of the BB1 guns; you have to take into
account that all BB1 guns have horrible accuracy until your gunners are a higher
level. Further increasing the reload speed of these guns to below would unbalance
the BB2s, as a BB2 with these BB1 guns could OH at ~49kn, while putting out double
the DPS of the Ap. Increasing the damage would have the same result.

To make up for the lack of anything useful on the SN BB1, T slots for AA was buffed,
BB2s were left slightly more overpowered than I'd like, and the level was increased
so the XP gain in GB and Blitz would be higher during the latter levels of this grind to
the BB2s.

If you are still not satisfied with the balance of the SN BB1, you're free to make a
thread on the test server discussion, where SN balance is still ongoing. There is a fair
chance that the BB1 may get another accuracy and reload buff in the future.

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 19. 2011 09:22

soldiers
There is no point to balance any ship in navyfield with ammo. It is just stupid. But it
seems sn would need better spread. I still can't use my range at the event cl. and
spread is so bad.

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 19. 2011 09:09

crazybrayden
having a bad BB1 was listed as being a national trait, just like low ammo and 45 degree
guns are balancing tools

  • Re : So who balanced the BC1?

    03. 19. 2011 06:12

Monarch
Fresh Eyes.
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