"panhellenic propaganda, played no role after he set foot on asia minor. "

Thats completely false.After he set foot on Asia minor, he spread the hellenic culture ,
language, religion etc etc .After that started the Hellenistic period.
If you were right he would abandon it.
And his ancestors were considered themselves Hellenes.And his father and his grandfather
were olympic champions.Even 2 of his succesors took part and won (Antigonos ,Seleukos) .
To take part to the games you had to be (Hellene) Greek.
The organizers of the games were called Hellanodikes which means "judges of the
Greeks".One of their task was to deside who is Greek.
When his grand father was judged if he was Greek he proved it.
Herodotus HISTORY Terpsichore book 5.22

Macedonians had the same language (Dorian dialect like the Spartans,Attica dialect later)
with the other Greeks,the same customs,same religion,same manners,same names,same
architecture,arts,myths,heroes,habits,taking parts in festivals and games for Greeks only
and finally Alexander spread the Greek culture all over his empire.
Alexander's royal dynasty (Argead dynasty) were descendants from the Temenids.
Temenus was King of Argos and his son Karanos was the first Macedonian King.
Temenus was also great-great-grandson of Heracles,thats why Alexander was wearing the lion
head skin dress.
Mount Olympus - The mount of the Gods for the ancient Greeks was in Macedonia.
Why the Greeks placed their gods in "foreign" territory?
Why when in their times ,they were considered as Greeks, today this is in doubt (by some)?

It is pretty clear, he only cared about his kingship and wanted to conquer. The things you
mentioned, meaning panhellenic propaganda, played no role after he set foot on asia minor.

Why dont you say your opinion clearly Oberglatter?
Right or wrong its yours :)

macs24 can you give facts about that?
Greece was part of Macedonian kingdom, or Macedonia was part of Greece and at the time of
Phillip,Macedonians dominated the other tribes after their victory in Chaeronea, formed
the Hellenic league in Corinth and Philip became hegemon(leader)?

Actually... Greece was part of the Macedonian kingdom back then.

Godlike King of the known world.

You have to excuse my English.
The word ethnic is coming from the greek ethnos but ethnos is translated in english as
nation.Read the terminology of "ethnic group" in wikipedia.
Modern meaning of "nation" formed after 18-19th century.
Your point of view with todays meaning is correct.
Back then ,there was citizenship (In which city-state you belong) and ethnicity (national
consciousness).
Thats why in ancient scripts when someone was speaking to an audience , of Athens for
example , he was saying "Athenean citizens..."
If an Athenean from 400bc for example , had an "identity card" , he would said
citizenship: Athenean
ethnicity: Hellenic (Greek)
But ethnicity in their times is what nationality is today.
Back to the original question.
If you could ask Alexander "identify your self"
Sure he would say i am Macedonian.
But he would also answer he is Hellene? (Greek) or not?
If yes, then the answer was correct.
If not, then both (players and the show) are wrong because sure theres in not a connection
with this new state (Slavs came to the territory hundreds of years after Alexander).
What do you think would be his answer?

My point was that there was no common blood, whatever that is.
What you describe is not a nation but an ethnic group. Look at the Kurdish people for
example, they have all these similarities , but there exists no Kurdish nation because
they have no state although there are some tendencies in Irak. To me that makes a
difference, to you it doesn't, fair enough.

"the bond of Hellenic race" is not the same as the modern nation state since the french
revolution. These words mean nothing. This bond didnt stop them from killing each other in
the Peloponnesian War some years later. Betrayal is common, eradicate the city, kill the
men and sell the women and children into slavery. Great bond, right there.

Mean nothing???? Sure they were fighting each other for supremacy but they also were
united against the common foe (Persians).First time you hear about civil wars?or brother
killing a brother? Even north states fought south states in US.Great bond right there.
Civil wars are very common in history.
You confuse todays way of life with theirs, as slavery was part of this time.

More so as there were different tribes
immigrating into the hellenic area, which can be seen with different dialects, dorian,
thessalian etc. The common language gets blurry here and lets not start about the race thing.

Different dialects not different languages.Dorian was one of the main hellenic dialects
(Spartans were speaking Dorian beacause were Dorians)
Even today ,in north,south,east,west parts of a state they are speaking different
dialects.Is this something strange? An Englishman uses every day greek,latin or who knows
from where, words.Does this make him less English? Off cource not.

Dorians dominated Pelloponisos and perioikoi (native people of Pelloponisos), accepted that.
Thats why there were no marriages between Spartans and perioikoi.
Dorians were the dominants, perioikoi were the dominated.
But in the olympic games,both Spartans and perioikoi COULD take part.
And dont forget,that in the olympics, ONLY Greeks were allowed.
That also goes to the national consciousness.

This thread exists to see what the modern people know,think about this matter.
Off cource todays definition of state its different.And After thousands of years of
history you couldnt expect something different.Now nations are including people with
different languages,religions,customs.You can be part of a nation ,after some years of
living inside a state.But back then, was a different thing.

Go ahead.

OT:

"the bond of Hellenic race" is not the same as the modern nation state since the french
revolution. These words mean nothing. This bond didnt stop them from killing each other in
the Peloponnesian War some years later. Betrayal is common, eradicate the city, kill the
men and sell the women and children into slavery. Great bond, right there.

Btw who are we talking about? The minority of free citizens, slaves or lets say the
spartan periokoi. For example, there were no marriages between Spartans and perioikoi, so
the common blood thing is hard to grasp. More so as there were different tribes
immigrating into the hellenic area, which can be seen with different dialects, dorian,
thessalian etc. The common language gets blurry here and lets not start about the race thing.

But thats all academic and not the core of this. The core of this is, that there is an
argument today who can claim historic figures or names as the foundation, as in proving
the legitimacy, of the contemporary nation. It seems that certain greeks have problems
with the name macedonia alone, because that is perceived as somehow stealing their
heritage. Which is why this thread exists. Therefore history is getting used, this applies
to Macedonia as well, to underline todays political agenda.

At this point it gets very amusing, because I have to think about the migration movements
of the Goths into the hellenic area, then I think about the slavic tribes and then about
the long time rule of the Osman Empire. I guess an Athenian from 400 B.C., if moved into
todays Athen would think:
What are all these weird looking Barbarians doing here?!

This thread makes me want to watch 300 and play Rome Total War.