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  • Jap BBs, please consider...

    10. 20. 2005 12:50

cmdranderson
Ok, so as I am sure anyone who has played this game for any amount of time has noticed the outcries to nerf brits. There have also been posts about nerfing KM range...

This however is a bit different... From the Japs perspective...

Now everyone who reads this thread is probably gonna respond: "Look at Laoji, he owns people, blah blah blah"

Well, you know what? Laoji is the highest ranked non TeamNF player... so of course he owns...

Anyhow, Jap BBs are complete and utter crap until you get to level 77 and get the 16.1" guns and the nagato...

Everyone knows this... the problem is, GETTING to level 77...

At 59 Japs get the Kongo. and the option to use 12.2" or 14" guns... (14L only one bind) The 12.2s are ok for range, but shell damage is embarassing... The only other BBs it can compete with is the Alaska... MAYBE the renown, depending on armour...
Every other BB will crush it... Renown owns it, ppro/scharn range it by 12 miles... Guam ranges by 6 miles

o_O; @@!!!

At level 67/68 Japs have the option of choosing Ise/Fuso... While the 6 turrets look enticing, compare the range on htese 2 ships with that of ANY BB2 for any other nation...

Let's see... Nelson, Opro, Gneis, NM, Penn, QE2, Hood and the lovely Nelson... Ok, the common argument here, "well, once you get into range, you will kill what you hit..." Hmmm, ok... the problem here is that you have to get into range... Which isn't much of a problem if you are British using the Quad 14s considering you have the best armour and best restorers in the game... Now let's go back to the topic at hand... Japs on the other hand have the WORST armour and WORST restorers in the game... so getting into range isnt exactly the easiest feat...

My suggestion... rather than nerfing every other nation, just give a bump to the Japs... A problem i have encountered is now that I'm level 71/72, I am capped out of any games except all welcomes and playing with the uber vets... Which I don't mind except it's completely pointless to try and compete with other high level BBs in a Fuso...

Maybe increase the range of the 14L; give an option for a new set of 14s, at ~70/72; improve armour stats slightly (it's like paper now, even with 5.5" of deck)...

Now I know (actually, i don't know, but I have been told) Japs are strong in the end-game... well, getting to end-game is the problem... Getting from level 59-77 has been a VERY painful issue... Japs simply cannot compete... I am not whining, as anyone who has played as Japs or played against Japs know they are absolutely doomed at BB1-BB2... There simply is no chance, and I am basically free exp to whoever gets to beat on me while I TRY to get in range...

Just my thoughts, feel free to agree or disagree...
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  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:32

enwhyoo
Cmd's right. Sure every IJN player has at least 1 torpship, but it's not something you'd be playing in until lvl99 (although I've seen players TW to gold bar and still continue...poor sobs). But in regards to the BBs IJN has, they are seroiusly the most pathetic things on earth. First off IJN gunners do not have the specialization advantage as US or the infamous UK gunners. Second, IJN BBs have no armor nor speed. Third, their guns do little damage compared to BBs of other levels.

I sure hope TNF can somewhat give the IJN BBs something that makes them resemble a BB, and not just another easy target (especially for CVs).

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:27

cmdranderson
Crash...

Yes... I have... And I hope you are kidding... Guam? NM30? NM45?

I have tried all 3, now the question is, have you? considering you are complaining about the alaska being out of stock, i will assume no... so, how do you know if those ships are good or not?

Have you ever tried playing as Japs? if not, you will have no idea... so...

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:24

crash64
have you tried usn?
they arent that great form 54- 70 either

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:19

rayesp
I agree with cmdranderson.

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:19

mixmkz
wow...

AMEN!!!

im slugging my way there right now, people dont understand pain till they play IJN, and not TW

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:13

cmdranderson
Arnold, the BB line doesn't come exclusively from torp tree, both trees lead to BB route, however, only gunning tree leads to CV route...

I realize one nation has to be worst, but, to be the best end game is pointless if you are absolutely terrible from 59-77... You will never get there... As I posted in detail, it isn't the fact they solely lack range, it is all the reasons compounded together that causes the biggest problem...

If you had the best armour and the worst range... fine
best restorers worst range, fine
best restorers worst armour, fine
but to have the least rnagem worst restorers and worst armour is too much

Also, dont forget, japs are also slow (not the slowest, but slow enough) and have weak shells (not the weakest, but weak)

  • Re : NOT another

    10. 20. 2005 13:08

anoldpipe
Perhaps I am merely speaking out of ignorance, but you must remember that Jap BB comes from Torp line which means you get your BBs much faster than other nations. While the Kongo is one of the worst BB's if not the worst, one nation must have the worst of something or else everybody will ask for a boost, tossing who gets the worst BC/BB around.
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