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  • WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 11. 2010 07:47

hemainman
ok, so i just got the BB5 MN Alsace , and a few things id like to add somethings, well
some say they love there Lyon because of range, i would strongly advice against it for a
couple of reasons, by the time you have reached the Paris you HAD been preparing your AA
gunners with in the Lyon u wont do it without sacrificing some things , so the
WE SHOULD NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

Paris has 1 more slot and does 37 knots with the bare minimums my case 4 bulge .2 Belt,
you are more agile and can maneuver much better that Lyon now u know that u can load 12
Elite Engys on Lyon and it won make a difference so u rotate 1 rep & 1 engy 2 make room
for your AA gunners and TRUST me you will regret not having Great AA Gunners, the MN AA is
superb !!!!! now u have reached the Richelieu which so many claim that its such a terrible
ship aging i disagree yes the first few games you will hate it with a AT level Crew just
like any other ship AT level Sucks,but now u have room for all gunners and supports (
well still rotating 1 rep in my case ) with 4 engys you are now doing 41 knots LOADED 80
Bulge,belt all AA guns on , and u have a bit more range than the Lyon + shells hit harder,
to resume for those of you that believe that skipping the Richelieu is working great for
you because of the attk u are getting you better think twice as your crew will be on a
ship 30 LEVELS below which in turns will affect your crews Ability's and growth , so
unless you like to go back and re level AA gunners id stick to the Order of the Ships its
why they are like that!!!!

PS.. first 4 games in Alsace 180+ attacks doing 42 Knots
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  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 19. 2010 07:27

Caroo
Well i will state my opinion of this topic too...

Since i got my alsace like 2 weeks ago i solely speak of my personal impression of the
grind to it.

First the Lyon, it is a decent BB2 but it lacks speed, even without one of the 4 guns it
is just slow. Since i leveled 2 BOs at the same time i got the Normandie too at the same
time. The Normandie kicks ass in comparrison to the Lyon, just because its profile is even
smaller and its hard to hit more then even 2 shells on it.

The Paris was one monster of a BB2.5. It got decent speed at lvl. small profile, decent
range and due to its monstrous reload with the 12" more then enough power, if aimed well.I
loved my time in it .... numerous games with more then 60k exp, because of some facerolled
BB4-5. Paris seems to me like the most overpwered BB2 in the game, well played u can get
150k+ attack games quite often.

The StrasBourg is the most underpowered BB3 out there ... there is just no reason why to
play it over the BB2s. It got worse spread even with gunners 10 lvl above gunlvl, its not
much faster, the shelldmg is higher ... but not that much that it is worth the bigger
hitbox, the one lost supportslot and the lack in ammo. It isnt worth playing atm, at least
not at lvl.

Finally the Richelieu. In my opinion it is a really fun ship. Its negatives are the big
profile and the slowmo turnrate. But since every BB4 is like that its no really contra.
First the speed, it isnt much special but compared to the other BB4 it is at lvl really
decent. The guns seems to be undersized, but its shelldmg is just awesome. One salvo of
the Rich has much more power then one salvo of a H39. U also have to mention the ammo
problem in here, but for me it didnt matter even one game until now.... i never ran out of
ammo, u just have to aim well. But i also have to mention my gunners reached lvl 97 before
my BO got lvl 89 so i didnt got much spread issues. Last but not least the AA-battery. If
i just imagine it i get teary eyes, it got by far the best AA battery i ever used till now
with 12 slots for the lvl 20 guns. I wouldnt ever skip this awesome ship, it can easily
compete with every other BB4 out there, u just have to play it right.

just my 2 cents
greetz caro0

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 19. 2010 05:58

rvpas67
I ll try to summary cuz u guys arent clear enough, u think we have time to read ur
novels ^^

Lyon is good ship at low level (even when ur not fully BVE crew) which means going
37 knt with 3 guns cuz u can make an average 100k attack playing more like a
support ship and must be better with high lvl but as I ve never tried ...

Paris is a bb3 ... or would be if it has more binds ... the fail of this ship is the aa that
cant shoot 360 rotation (but still good doing 4k aa or so) and the lack of bind (I go
out of ammo every battle)
I lvled with it from 75 to 103 ... incredible ship at low lvl going 37 with 4 guns+aa ...
my record is 200k attack only but it's becuz I go out of ammo and the average is
more than 120k (150k+ during hours)
>>> important, it has same number of slots as richelieu so it's like a pbb <<<

Stras ... I saved money and didnt buy it ... paris remain better (at least for my play
style)

Richelieu is a bb3.5 ... low range and paper ship ... it's better than dunky cuz it has
AA so it's not rush/run/die but and tactic rush/aa/try not to die it cant handle a full
salvo of bb4
spread is annoying sometimes : for instance I stayed still and shot 4 times, well
aimed but the fail spread make 90% of the schell go in water (I was pissed)
I just play richelieu for MN pride and to make few beneficial of the millions invested.
For the moment (I wait to reach lvl 105 for alsace) I make my 2nd attack record with
Mn nation > 190k attack > be carefull with ammo and an average under 100k which
is bad for supposed bb4.

so richelieu just for fun for highly skilled dude (like me hehe ... I love to be that
modest), paris is 2nd best MN with a lot of potential ... I d like they make it bb3 with
more binds.

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 19. 2010 00:00

Elliot2lazy
Interesting as it is, the lvl 63 quad guns for the lyon and normandie do about 100+
HE more, than the lvl 81 quads for the strasburg. BB2s do more damage than BB3s,
but the BB3 strasbourge does have more range than the lyon and normandie guns.

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 18. 2010 20:48

Fallan
Well the Stras at lvl with other BB3's is short at the minium 1 Support Slot and 1
Deck Slot. Due to ship design at level it should be the MN answer to the Nelson. We
shouldnt have to go back to a lvl 69 Remodel to take us to 89 to ensure we have
proper crew growth. We need the Stras to prepare us for the BB4 game play.

Paris =/= Richlue

Right now all they did is take a Dunke nerf it and make it lv 79

At the minium give it a Deck slot or a Support slot so we would have an answer to
the Paris for crew slots. Until that is fixed I will not play a Stras. Hard enough
leveling up a BB6 sized crew when your rotating two sailors out much less adding a
3rd wheel to it

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 18. 2010 15:32

CaptSucker
I used the Paris until level 89 when i got the rich, but realized i could not get the guns
until 91, so i decided to retry the Stas, it still sucked. The Paris just offered more
firepower and a smaller target with about the same range. Plus, the Stars, has crap for
ammo and one less dock slot. The only advantage it has over the BB1'2 and 2's is its
speed, but it is a bigger ship and easier to hit. Stas needs an overhaul, there is no
denying it.

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 18. 2010 10:57

WFCxLookout
hmm im about to get richelieu and im using the strasbourg atm and most of the people say
its suck lol people fail saying that because each time i ask them : when did you used it?
they respond at levle, its like just normal, i give them point on level the spread suck
but when your gunenr get higher its spread dont suck most of the time and can chalenge
most of the ship you can encounter with its small hit box :P reccord in strasbourg ive
done is 133k dmg but a friend just done a 196k with it lol so b4 judging it too fast play
it couple of level is even 5 level after using it its as bad at level THEN NOW you can say
its suck :P

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 18. 2010 10:08

Fallan
Strasbourg needs to be on par with the Nelly

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 13. 2010 13:26

CaptSucker
For starters, the Richelieu's spread is not bad at level, but the range is woefully
inadequate, i am easily out ranged by all other BB4's and all the BB5's. Also w/ at level
engineers i am not fast enough to close or durable enough to take hits. I feel like i am
in a gimped German BB.

The only 2 things that the ship has going for it are the fact that it has great shell
damage and great AA. Other than that, the ship is massive, slow, low on ammo, and has no
turning radius.

As for the Paris, it is an excellent ship and i still go back to it from time to time.
When you use the 12"s you hold plenty of ammo, and you have the same number of support
slots as the Richelieu. Also, the ship is small, has a decent speed, and lots of shells,
and a decent range. Honestly when switching back and forth between the Richelieu and the
Paris i fell that the range is the same, but that could be that the Richelieu is soo big i
cant move in on anyone like i can with the Paris. There is something wrong with the ship
designs when my BB2 consistently gets higher damage than my BB4, and I am talking 3-4
times higher damage.

In my honest opinion Navy Field needs to take a serious look at the Strasbourg, Richelieu,
and Alsace. All of them need more ammo space for starters, and much more. There is no
excuse for NF to make a ship so broken that people are willing to skip it entirely
(Strasbourg).

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 12. 2010 13:53

Rehor
"The Richelieu lacks ammo space, as well as the Alsace. In fact, a lot of the BBs in the
MN line can only carry 2 binds of ammo. This unbalance can cause people to not want to
play either of them."

Thanks. That's a cross between misleading and ignorant.

  • Re : WHY should we skip Paris and Richelieu ????????

    05. 12. 2010 09:51

Nabaco
Lyon is way better than paris. I can't judge richelieu as i dont have it yet. But put a
lyon vs a paris in 1v1 combat and the lyon will almost certainly win. People say BUT WAIT
PARIS HAS MORE SPEED MORE CREW AND SMALLER HITBOX! well, actually, all those thing are
useless when you're landing 16 shells on it. With the lyon I can kill pretty much any BB5
in range except for the L2 on 1v1 cause of the epic firepower. A H44 goes down with 2 well
aimed shots (i got a full health H44 to 5k HP with 1 shot at full range). Paris is much
better in theory but in practic, the lyon is the king. People will say, BUT WHAT IF THE
PARIS USER IS A PRO AND DODGES WHILE YOU SHOOT AT HIM!! well, all those things don't
matter, you'll still be hitting him with some out of the total wooping 16 shells, yes in
most of the cases speed means life, but when youre attacked by a lyon, you have no chance.
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