And this gentlemen is how you acquire and keep your stolen sailors. Trade them around a few accounts along with a
few million.


What a joke.

Without going in to individual cases, I think I can only remember one or two genuinely
true hacking cases in my time in TeamNF and they were generally speaking down to players
using their ID as their password as well or something very similar. Not saying I have
seen every single case, but done a few. Certainly the recent cases that have occurred and
caused us to restate and make the policy very clear are not as a result of hacking, they
are as a result of account sharing.

How can someone know if sailors for offer in the in-game trade system are their without
the permission of the genuine owner? Simple, they cannot know, unless it was them that
was on the losing account and placed them in to the system so they could transfer them to
another account. We can work that out and take action if appropriate. That was not the
case in the recent issues being discussed here. As such, the person buying from the
system is the innocent party in this. Yes there are guilty parties, but that has shown to
be people who abuse the trust placed in them by being given access to a 'friends' account.

As I have said to TeamNF these cases do leave a nasty taste in the mouth because it is
breach of trust and the ones who lose out were invariably being kind souls by sharing or
loaning their items. Unfortunately, when that is done it has to be at the owner's risk.
I think everyone in the team feels a very human desire to try and get involved to put it
all right, but then other innocent parties inevitably end up getting dragged in and
affected as well, through no fault of their own. We will continue to provide information
about trades done from an account to who we believe is the legitimate owner, but if that
shows sailors or items lost as a result of account sharing or loans going wrong then we
cannot step in to force recover or replace those items.

Just to clarify, he was asked nicely and you guys explained the situation to him clearly?
He was offered his credits back in full? He didnt spend any $$$ to add vets/experts/boosts
to the crew? Also mind PMing me his name for my curiosity?

That is exactly what is happening.

So basically Andy, your member bought sailors that were stolen and refuses to give them
back? Was the player in question offered the credits he payed for them? If so and he still
refuses thats real effed up man.

you say you dont condone it, but you have a system in place that promotes it---
secondary password. People think their crap is safe, so they give out the password.. I
then wonder how many folks actually change their password later.


What was the intent of the secondary password? (not being sarcastic.. Really dont
recall).

This is exactly what we have been trying to explain for the last month. Our fleet member
who's account was
hacked had not been able to log in as his password/email was changed by the person who had
hacked his account and he had to get GM
support to just log in and take full control of his account back. At that point, he was
confident nothing could happen since he
never gave out his second password to ANYONE. But by the time he logged in, all the crew
was gone from his account.

He never gave out his 2nd pass to ANYONE. The problem was that he had set it as a very
easy 2nd pass which was amazingly guessed correctly within the 3 try limit by the person who
had stolen the crew. From there, it's a whole another story as to where we have gotten
with this player in question

Clemo: the issue is not that we don't care for the honest people. It's we are asking
you as the player base to be aware of who you believe as honest people. There's
been many cases where an honest player loaned bb6 crew to a friend to try out
their new bb6 and that honest player never recieved the crew back because that
player shared their account with a not so honest second player who traded the
crew and then sold it. Then We (TNF/SDE) being the middle people have to do hunts
for a certain crew and ask a fourth honest player to be kind to return crew (loosing
creds in the process) Everyone looses. TNF does care.
we are asking for your help as a player base to keep your friends closer than usual
and trust at your descression but we cannot be responsible for a trade approved by
both sides...especially if it's done by someone other than real owner because the
EULA states not to share accounts.
***edit ***
players using this clause to intentionally steal crew from other people when caught
have received bans. Many permanent. A few receive months bans after agreeing to
return crew and credits. But still punished. As stated stealing is wrong ... We will
not approve of such actions.

MOD EDIT
Fixed the formatting - only
BBR_InsUW

If you will steal in a game, you will steal IRL. Stealing, or scamming makes you a low-
life piece of trash that should be openly chastised and punished. Name and shame the
scumbag so noone else gets trapped by his inherant dishonesty. If nothing else, PM any
interested party with the name so fleet leaders can be in the know and avoid the player,
and his fleet.

Congratulations on letting down honest players while hackers are only suspended for 2-3
days max and stolen crews are allowed to be kept from their rightful owners.