You shouldn't use AP on ships close enough to be in the armor imponity zone. Either run away and shoot them from afar or rush and fire at the belt.

Also the salvo damage of kaiser is supposed to be around 55k so unless there was a pointless ninja nerf you must be doing something wrong. 

1. using AP on under 30 degree is pointless but using HE is pointless too. HE will hit belt or not and before you get close enough you are dead.

2. yes it should be 55k but getting 55k is very rare, you must luckily land all shells.
As I said it is like old h44 split between 16-44k salvos, kinda weird for most powerfull BB in line to hit 6-55k

And here is a little ammo comparation i did:

HE shells

       AP Bonus    HE damage    Weight per shell
H44       1             1200                   1518
Kaiser    0             1550                  1200

AP shells

       AP Bonus    HE damage    Weight per shell   
H44       4                  0                     1518
Kaiser    4                  0                     1200

My conclusion is that H44 penetrates armour better cause HE got AP bonus and more weight which makes it force easier through it, even if kaiser got extra 3 degree higher angle.
And also how about shell damage/ shell weight damage output.


Compared to other nations:
                        AP Bonus    HE damage    Weight per shell   
Nebby HE                 0                 1700                   1750
Nebby AP                  3                     0                     1750
QV HE                        0                 1730                   1760
QV AP                         3                     0                     1760
Amagi HE                 0                 1690                   1800
Amagi AP                  3                     0                     1800
Charlemange HE     0                 1450                   1630
Charlemange AP     3                     0                     1630
P 24 HE                      0                 2600                   1680
P 24 AP                      4                     0                     1680
UP41 HE                  0                 1680                   1720
UP41 AP                   5                     0                     1720

Well i don't have kaiser yet but up to this point people complained about bad spread nad inability to withstand a rush.
Never about the damage.

Officially Kaiser was not changed since the armor nerf that hit all BB6 aside of QV.
And i don't think it got any serious changes before that either. 

Kaiser isn't that great. Does have range, but the complete piece of shitty spread, damage doesn't make it interesting to play at all. 
Give me P24, I'll gladly switch for that.

I do believe that the soulution would be a little tweak to kaiser giving it better spread and some weight on shells to make it stay more in line with other BB 6.
Propably there would be necessery a tweak on HE damage so when increasing shell weight Kaiser wouldn't get over other bb6 in damage and in muzzle velocity to keep current range with heavier shell.
It would fix Kaiser's fun and would give it a little gameplay aside of HA.
I won't say that i'd love it a little bit faster but it's ok like it is, you cant have everything.
It would be also nice to see revision of some new BB6 (US RM) in case of speed, spread, damage, range, armour nad shell hang time. Mix those togethere (like take 2-3 good and other average) to make a variety of good and intresting BB6 ships.

Answering the question how does L2 AW and QV got under my 30 degree?
A little while of darkness and, yes this fact has been proved, when You're constantly running away your OH will end sooner or later.

My point is that I just tryed to get some fun playing it not in HA but in GB, cause not playing it for quite time made me rusty and I couldn't handle it as good as I should.
Instead of fun I got frustrated.
Isn't it so that all ships should be able to have fun in GBs fulfilling correct role? (OK someone could tell me to drive my Kaiser and play AA in GB rooms ... ROTFL)
I bet that most if not all Kaiser players would love to have nice gameplay with it in GB and other rooms.

I was literally serious.

Why would I pick kaiser now, when P24 and kaiser are both slow, with far better spread, no consistency issue, oneshot bb5 and lower. And both have great AA also....

I don't care about the hangtime, I rather aim and have my shots land where I want rather than being bottlenecked by spread and damage, and every retarded issue the gun has.

I already liked the P24 before with all the damage buff, now with the recent patch, I seriously want a P24.

Kaiser is good at linefight, but there are other BB6 such as Nebby/P24 that does also the job. If it wasn't for the stupid overpowered nebby and horribly buggy KM guns, I wouldn't go that far.

And at least, QV can still puch through armour better in the 30 degree  and even lower,while kaiser is literally crippled at 40 degree....

To bounce QV at 30 you need over 9,3" UK deck, while to bounce kaiser at 40 you only need in the lower 7" UK deck.

Just look  at how Stalingrad has become...

While i love my kaiser and consider it my prized bb6 of the ones i have compared to the other 2 it is not as effective.  it is slower, and has a lower damage potential than the amagi or nebby i own. 

I still play my kaiser but it suffers from poor spread consistency, poor damage consistancy, slow enough that NF fail physics allows a 35 knot AW to keep up while retreating.  In a BB room sure a kaiser will have back-up, in a HA a kaiser will have back-up otherwise the kaiser is certainly not up to par.  The damage can be either quite low or quite high, have seen a kaiser 1 shot a amagi before was quite the sight to see.

The spread can go from wonderful to attrocious every other salvo or every salvo, it can be very furustrating especially when you could have crippled or sunk your target if the spread cooperated. 

It's 37 knot max speed and at times 39 if you gimp the crew can be hazardous in a fight since nf physics are so mesed up that even a slower ship can catch up and stay in range.

Maybe one day the kaiser can be fixed but as it is i don't see that happening for a while. far too many other things need to be fixed before we can even consider such a thing.

Just wondering Richard:
If we would use the H44 gun data and tweak it a bit (40degrees+range adjustment+3barrel) wouldn't we get a near perfect kaiser fix without a lot of work?

Well copying H44 guns is kinda crazy idea.
I'd rather use experience that we got with patching KM and Soviet guns.
Surely Richard knows which stats it would be best to tweak on Kaiser's guns to make them satisfying.
Surely it would need some time and testing to give it a finishing touch but I think that most what matters is a will to fix it.