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  • Bismark or O Pro ll

    11. 29. 2012 11:08


flashhawk

Hi, quick question. This is my first KM line and I'm wondering whether the Bismark or the O Pro ll is better. My bridge operator is level 44 so I still have the freedom to choose either line. I have two premium elite gunners, both vetted but not experted, other than those a normal crew (most +12). I have an Andrea Doria waiting for me once I get out of blitzkreigs, but I'm going to stop using it once I level to 80 (Bismark or O Pro ll level). I've already looked a fair amount at the stats, I want to get a personal opinion from someone who has used these ships.

Simply, I'm wondering which battleship is better in the long run, I don't care about the ships before them.

Thanks,
Flashhawk 

 

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    11. 29. 2012 12:26


richardphat

O2 for your then, since you are looking on the long run.

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    11. 29. 2012 12:47


NIborGER

O2 is the better GB farming/grinding ship
BSM is the best ship for bb1-3 games and still is awesome in GB but not that awesome os OPro2 

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    11. 30. 2012 13:07


V2CxBongRipz

Opro Line:

Better CAs

Better AA

Better BB1/2

More scout space @ CA/BB1

More DP

 

Opro 2: (considering 14.96 and not 11")

+1 support slot

More firepower

+2 knots faster

More DP

 

Bismark: (considering 14.96 and not 11")

Better Spread

More range

 

I prefered The PPro2/Opro to the Scharn/Gneis but they are all good ships in the end. Bismark and O2 are pretty much even in my eyes and I enjoy them both. In a 1v1 situation between Opro2 and Bismark I would say Bismark has the advantage but Opro has its advantages too. Theres nothing that dosnt say you cant take both though.

 

Also fyi reguilar KM bbs are much more enjoyable then Andrea Doria.

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    11. 30. 2012 23:09


ErwinJA

The O-Pro line has better CAs and BB2-3, by most standards. However, the CAs, while some of the best (period) with high level crews, are a real chore at level due to sight range and spread issues. The Hipper/Eugen are much more useable at level, but quickly outclassed, and I'd say that, with firepower being an issue, the Scharnhorst's advantage there offsets the AA.

The big advantages to the O-Pro II are the extra support slot, and that it has more viable setup options, allowing some variety. The main disadvantage is slightly lower range.

Another thing to note is that the EBB3 for KM is just a slightly improved O-Pro II (extra aircraft space, extra support slot). In other words, if you can get an EBB3, you can have both by going Bismarck line, whereas going O-Pro line, you can only get more of the same.

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    12. 03. 2012 08:43


Kogard

Why 1 line, u'll need to have 2 BB BO's to lv up the proper crews for H44/Kaiser.

 

I played both, Bizzy run slower and smaller crew number(6 vs 7 slots) than O2, but it has smaller hit box than O2 and better at sling-shooting(turret position).

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    12. 04. 2012 21:15


AlexCaboose

Personally, I find the O2 far more enjoyable to play. However, I think the Bissy better prepares you for KM BB playstyle. The O2 is a rushing ship, and that is definitely not ideal for most KM ships.

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    12. 05. 2012 22:40


hiroito

As Alex said, get the Bissy to get a grasp on how KM is supposed to be played at H44 Level. It's going to be a pain, you are going to hate it, you might even feel the need to slap them in the hull... But in the end you will only remember those times when you took an Alsace head on and won. :P

So, Bissy for you and then if you feel like trying something different go the Opro line for the CA's, not the BB3 since the most fun part is when you have a Deutschland with lvl 90+ gunners and support crew. 

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    12. 09. 2012 20:08


Gundamx2

Originally Posted by V2CxBongRipz

Opro Line:

Better CAs

Better AA

Better BB1/2

More scout space @ CA/BB1

More DP

 

Opro 2: (considering 14.96 and not 11")

+1 support slot

More firepower

+2 knots faster

More DP

 

Bismark: (considering 14.96 and not 11")

Better Spread

More range

 

I prefered The PPro2/Opro to the Scharn/Gneis but they are all good ships in the end. Bismark and O2 are pretty much even in my eyes and I enjoy them both. In a 1v1 situation between Opro2 and Bismark I would say Bismark has the advantage but Opro has its advantages too. Theres nothing that dosnt say you cant take both though.

 

Also fyi reguilar KM bbs are much more enjoyable then Andrea Doria.



this.

more to add, if you go for bissy line, you will have a typical type of CAs which are Hipper and PE (i think they look quite cool). used to be quite enjoyable in blitz(didn't play blitz for long so i dunno how is it nowadays), also a good start on learning how to play a BB. lesser AA slots and lesser range compared to the Opro line CAs.
as for the Opro line, Dland and Ppro are both really nice for AAing as stated above. some ppl will call them poor men's moltke. but to have a decent spread with their 11" guns you probably need to have a really nice pair of gunner which is kinda hard to satisfy in low lv. so maybe you won't find they are as enjoyable as bissy line's CAs in blitz

now talk about the BBs. you will find that the Opro and Opro2/3 aren't like the typical KMBBs.
they are more rushing-like play style which don't really match the later tier KMBBs
but to tell the truth, Opro line BBs have better variation on playing. you can AW your ships and do some rushing though not really recommanded. a bit better AA than bissy line BBs and one more support slot for Opro2 as stated above
also the 14.96"x3 gun have really slightly less range than the 14.96"x2 

to conclude, if you are confident enough on adepting the BB4-6 play style after playing the Opros, you probably should go for Opro line since they are more fun to play and easier to lv your crew with one more support slot on Opro2
to stick to the tradition play style of KM, go for bissy line

but tbh, you just won't regret to have both line of KM BBs

  • Re : Bismark or O Pro ll

    12. 10. 2012 09:05


V2CxBongRipz

Originally Posted by Gundamx2

but to have a decent spread with their 11" guns you probably need to have a really nice pair of gunner which is kinda hard to satisfy in low lv. so maybe you won't find they are as enjoyable as bissy line's CAs in blitz

 

With normal BVE gunners (mine were 10/10 100 vet) you will find 11" has a better spread then the 8" set on Hipper/PE. Hipper/PE is faster though and both are enjoyable to play.

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