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  • ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 16. 2011 07:30

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DrZawaz
With more potent submarines going to be released sometime, I think it'd be a good idea if a new kind of destroyer was made for all  factions.
(You could take a DD (Like the Fletcher, give it a different piant job and call it the Allen M Summers class) and easily modify the sprite and a few of its values)

Much like the ECL's, the only requirement is that you have the level being able to pilot it. The level range would be somewhere in the 30-40's

Essentially, the destroyer would have the following mounts:

2 fore mounted R slots with size 45
2 rear mounted R slots with size 45
1 <both sided> T slot with size 20 (Torpedeo carrying space of 12)

The ship would have access to either the highest level destroyer engine, or a special engine with a very low overheat ratio but a high HP so the crusing speed is fast but the OH speed is not much better.
It would also have a higher then average turning force, as well as bulge being cheaper/less weight per then normal destroyers (all other armors are much higher per to compensate)
Furthermore, it's AAW and HE/AP defensive values would be very low as well.

I honestly don't know how much DP it would have either. It would need to be a decent amount, but I don't think it should be near CL levels.
For displacement, it needs to be moderately high compared to a regular DD to compensate for 30/40 level crews

Sailor Slots: 4(4) or 4(5)

 

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 16. 2011 08:05


zecke666
I think we should wait for the arrival of the new subs. Then we will see how they impact the game. But at the moment i think subs are not the problem facing lots of ASW-ships in GB and PCVs and PCAs sinking enemy subs or BB5s with premium HHs.

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 16. 2011 08:24


DrZawaz
I agree, the pHH's need to be looked at for surface damage - My thought experiment upon this type of destroyer assumes that is fixed and people are actually using HH's for their intended purpose

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 16. 2011 10:53


wyatto022298
Maybe they could be remods of current destroyers such as you suggesting the Allen sumner class which I believe was a fletcher with 3 dual 5" mounts instead of 5 singles and some sorta special radar, or for players who want to get really specialized in ASW possibly a whole full DD1-3 line and possibly a new sailor class with an ability that improve anti-submarine weapons effectiveness

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 17. 2011 11:35


BeforeLifer
If this does happen Briten will prob get the Hunt Destoryers.
thouse were custom biult for ASW they only had 2 main guns and the rest of them were AA guns and DCs Hell i think one of the 3 variants had 2 DC racks at the back as well as 4 DC lanchers on each side O_o. Basicly if the sub dident get hit by all thouse DCs it got EXTREMLY lucky.

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 17. 2011 15:27


tipsypo
I seem to think the DD's we have at the moment are very suitable to hunt enemy submarines. Just need a good sonarman and some depthcharges. Just one problem with the DD's though and thats is that there are just not enough going around and doing the job.

I would like to just see some more DD's though anyway. Got O/P, L/M, Q/R and Tibal within the Royal Navy how about an J/K/N? Might have more suggestions once I finish British Destroyers: From Earliest Days To Second World War and British Destroyers and Frigates: The Second World War and After.

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 17. 2011 20:20


Adjutant
Between the FF-Y and national DDs, NavyField already has ships that are capable of dealing with the submarines. Not to mention, almost all the bigger ships carry hedgehogs anyways. Adding a new line of dedicated national ASW ships will not change anything, unfortunately. People will still prefer to play submarines, battleships, and aircraft carriers. Those are the facts. It simply is not rewarding enough for most people.

HOWEVER, I would like it if the developers gave us a treat in the form of a new neutral frigate specialized for ASW. Such an addition would be simple and harmless. I know that a neutral frigate is no substitute for OP's suggestion, and I hope you're not offended, but it is a small step that the developers might be more willing to take.

Please read my proposal for a new neutral frigate:

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This frigate is meant to be an improvement of the FF-Y, which is currently the premier sub-hunting frigate in NavyField. In addition to that, this frigate proposal also incorporates the qualities of real life Escort Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (these were the specialized ASW ships of WW2). These qualities includes high AAW rating, rear depth charge launchers, and less deck guns than other ships.

Required level: 36 (Neutral Frigate)
Turning Force: 45
AAW Defense rating: 200
FCS: 20 (same as FF-Y)
Power Plant: 26 (same as FF-Y)
Cruise speed: Should be the same or faster (NOT slower) than FF-Y: high cruise speed, low overheat speed
All other stats: Possibly the same as FF-Y

Armaments:

Aft weapons only.

R Space 30
R Space 30
R Space 30
T Space 22 (Same rear position as FF-Y)
T Space 22 (Same rear position as FF-Y)

Crew:

Sailors 4 (1)

1 Operator
1 Gunner
1 Torpedo
1 Sonarman

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 18. 2011 11:07


Ultra_Dog
I think ASW should be a unique ship, not a refit of existing FF/DD/CLs.

ASW should have special Depth charges fittings, better sonar, and maybe HH fittings.

Other ships should not have sonar (or very limited sonar). This would make ASW a special ship and NF could sell a P-ASW ship.

Regular HHs shoud be removed and only PHH made available at cost. Smoke isn't free, or Mines, HH shouldn't be either.

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 18. 2011 12:56


qaz14595
Originally Posted by DrZawaz
I think it'd be a good idea if a new kind of destroyer was made for all factions.


How about insted of a new DD.....Make it a DE ;) - Yes yes i know NF is not real life...But why not? For ASW & to honor all those brave men that sailed on DE's. "During World War II, 563 Destroyer Escorts battled Nazi U-boats on the North Atlantic protecting convoys of men and material. In the Pacific they stood in line to defend naval task forces from Japanese submarines and Kamikaze air attacks." " there would be a need for a mass produced destroyer type capable of transoceanic convoy and anti-submarine warfare." "They did not have the offensive armament and fire control of destroyers, nor the speed. They were, however, vastly more maneuverable than destroyers and had a much smaller turning circle" Info From ussslater.org

Ok yada yada I think im getting carried away with why (if they whould even do this idea that) they should be a DE not just a new class of DD's. (Short little video to sum up why it should be a DE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJEJzZaOPo )

P.S Me thinks i got carried away due to the fact that i reccently started to volunteer my time on the Slater.... ;)

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 18. 2011 13:19


Rick5000
PHH are already too strong, so why not just overpower em with ASW DD's? We get like 100 Hedgehogs over us and they keep firing till we come out of critical.

Not recc'd

  • Re : ASW specialized Destroyers

    07. 18. 2011 14:07


DrZawaz
Originally Posted by Rick5000
PHH are already too strong, so why not just overpower em with ASW DD's? We get like 100 Hedgehogs over us and they keep firing till we come out of critical.

Not recc'd


If you read the thread, I stated that this would be introduced after the problems with pHH's surface damage was reduced

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