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  • Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 17. 2013 13:49


MukMuk

What are the recommended guns on the Vanguard? What are the different setups for it?
What is the average speed for a Vanny? With a level 95+ support crew what speed should I expect? 

 

  • Re : Vanguard Guns

    08. 17. 2013 15:08


phantom3553

the intended gun for Vanny is 15" Mark IV L (lvl 91),  and vanny gameplay is different than the L1, it played like Bismarck...



 

  • Re : Vanguard Guns

    08. 17. 2013 15:18


Benser33

All BB4s use a lvl 91 gun as their prefered gunset, for the Vanguard it's the lvl 91 2x 15"/42 cal Mark IV L. The lvl 89 normal version of this gun works alright too, bit closer to BB3 range though.

 

There aren't really any suitable alternatives, most other guns that fit will punish you with unsuitable range and Vanguard is all about playing with range. Pointless using the Hoods duals over the Vanguards own duals. The Nelly triples and PoW quads lose you a fair amount of range for little gain other than a rain of shells. They're shorter range, heavier, 40 degrees instead of 30, there is a damage increase but it's not that worth it. That only leaves the lvl 81 16" triples which seem to only work on the hood, and have range so short it's not even worth considering using them.

  • Re : Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 18. 2013 11:30


jedizorro

Vanny is neither a ship designed for at-level crew, nor GB. It's got weak turning, weak armor, low speed (it can run 40knt only with high level engies without armor; with at-level crew, expect 37 knot or so), horrible spread with at-level gunners, pathetic firepower.

Vanny with 120-level crew in good player's hands can make miracles; someone can do 300k damage with Vanny in GB. And in BB4 1v1, Vanny is not bad, considering its range and short hang-time of shells. 

But why would anyone want to play Vanny with 120-level crew instead of QV?


Anyway, Vanny is a "fun" ship. But most of the time in GB, the "fun" belongs to your enemies, not you.

 

  • Re : Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 18. 2013 16:25


shackle

Vanny was a good ship early in the games life..but it was nerfed into a pretty weak one and the introduction of the new nations fleet have made it very difficult to survive and score exp  at lvl.The Hood is a joke ship and at the moment there is no UK EBBs in the space above......

Which leaves Lion1 as the ship to go with ..and its a beauty although the lack of range makes it vulnerable at times, the firepower and armour are great . 

If you have already chosen the Vanny.. be patient and use what range you have...or reset the BO!

 

  • Re : Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 18. 2013 18:11


jedizorro

Originally Posted by shackle

Vanny was a good ship early in the games life..but it was nerfed into a pretty weak one and the introduction of the new nations fleet have made it very difficult to survive and score exp  at lvl.The Hood is a joke ship and at the moment there is no UK EBBs in the space above......

Which leaves Lion1 as the ship to go with ..and its a beauty although the lack of range makes it vulnerable at times, the firepower and armour are great . 

If you have already chosen the Vanny.. be patient and use what range you have...or reset the BO!

 



As a matter of fact my first UK BO was Vangaurd. And as a matter of fact, EBB Hood 1949 (level 86) is not that bad. I used this EBB from mid level 90-ish all the way to LionII.

And when I used Vanguard with at-level crew, I find the most efficient setup (and the most difficult one) is:
Front: Nelson's 16*3*2
Rear: Vanny's 15*2*2

Using this setup, you can rush with the firepower of 16-inch guns and run-gun with the range of 15-inch guns.  

  • Re : Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 20. 2013 01:44


shackle

fair enough..thats your experience talking ..I too had both ships early on and they now simply dont match up very well in game ...and I wouldnt encourage anyone to use them to lvl up for the first time.

Congrats on actually useing the Hood..because I almost never see one used and I watch out for them to ask the users how they find the ship....and I have one...

and I have a bismarck as well which is a great "fun" ship to use ..compared to the Hood ..in my opinion...

My only comment on the way you used the Vanny is that you made it fit the pattern of how many people use the L1 and QV which is smart but not actually how the  Hood Vanny line was" supposed "to go... 

  • Re : Vanguard Guns and Speed

    08. 20. 2013 14:18


jedizorro

Originally Posted by shackle

fair enough..thats your experience talking ..I too had both ships early on and they now simply dont match up very well in game ...and I wouldnt encourage anyone to use them to lvl up for the first time.

Congrats on actually useing the Hood..because I almost never see one used and I watch out for them to ask the users how they find the ship....and I have one...

and I have a bismarck as well which is a great "fun" ship to use ..compared to the Hood ..in my opinion...

My only comment on the way you used the Vanny is that you made it fit the pattern of how many people use the L1 and QV which is smart but not actually how the  Hood Vanny line was" supposed "to go... 



Well, EBB Hood is actually a good ship, but it requires BO level 86, which is only 3 levels away from LionI. I think that's why you don't see people using EBB Hood often in GB.

And it's not quite fair to compare Hood with Bismarck (using at-level crew), because Hood has got no AA, poor spread, no range advantage against most other nations as BB3, plus BB6 hitbox...

Well Vanny is surely better than Bismarck, but you should really compare it with H39/41 instead of Bismarck, which again puts Vanny in an awkward position. It has got weak turning (only 19), poor reload time/spread with at-level crew, no range or firepower or speed advantage against any other nations' BB4 (maybe longer range than MN BB4 but forget about fire efficiency). Basically, given same player skills, any other BB4 can perform better than Vanny in GB, with at-level crew...

Vanny is really a BB3.5, really... 

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