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Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 14. 2014 22:15
GraffPooh
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Hi.
I was wondering if anybody can help me choose wich ship is better?
I know speed SoDak wins hands down but what about dmg and range?
Thank you.
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 14. 2014 23:55
axyarthur
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Hi,
The soDak and Maryland uses the 16'' Mk3 guns (40 max angle), the Indy uses the 16'' Mk6 guns (45 max angle)
damage wise, maryland wins outright, with 12 guns instead of 9.
Range, Indy has slight advantage, being able to mount NorCal guns with a slight higher range and damage over SoDak guns. But comes with 45 deg angle.
Overall, I think Maryland would be most competitive, as you have max firepower, and decent speed too. (I go 39 with AA). And most people would agree that of the 3, Maryland is the most feared.
Indy is kind of a mix between NorCal and SoDak. It can sort of play both styles, but it's not as fast as SoDak and has higher gun angle, so harder to rush. The only advantage over SoDak is extra support slot to level sailors.
I don't know what playstyle you prefer, but I was able to have success with all 3. (actually, only play 2-3 games with Indy, but I grinded both NorCal and SoDak, and used Maryland periodically to mix it up)
Hope this helps!
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 15. 2014 06:10
GraffPooh
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Thank you for your help :) Ill go pick up Maryland
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 19. 2014 13:57
crackmonk
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norcal with better range? i think not
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 19. 2014 14:38
oneechan666
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Sodak ... best fun ship I've ever had ... I even skipped Iowa and played Soadak until I got Montana ... Playing low tier BBs (bb1-bb3) has 3 basic principles for achieving success: speed, gun range, player skill -> Sodak in good hands has 2 of them ... Don't look for dmg power - if u are slow with lame range you will become food ... Maryland is powerfull but too slow for a ship with average gun range, Indiana is better but Sodak is the best ... on Sodak you can hit and run, you can easily chase bigger ships when they are blind ... ;]
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 19. 2014 21:03
normpearii
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Remember, damage does not mean everything.
There is no "best ship". Its the ship that fits your play style the best.
For example, some players perfer dealing high damage, while others like to deal medium damage at high speed to get in and get out to minimize damage recieved. Others wish to grind and want that extra support slot to level one more sailor at a time and expense of overall performance.
Its all about what fits best at the right time.
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 20. 2014 03:32
axyarthur
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all good points above. A ship is as good as her driver. So to get to best out of a ship, it must fit your play style. I was able to get the best out of the Maryland out of the three, but the other two can be just as good in a capable player.
re: range of norCal vs. SoDak.
The advantage is not significant, but the Mk6L does have slight range advantage over the Mk3L. Below is my test with 120 gunners and BB II FCS. Top splashes are from NorCal guns, bottom from SoDak.
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 25. 2014 10:09
normpearii
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Originally Posted by crackmonk
norcal with better range? i think not
Originally Posted by axyarthur
re: range of norCal vs. SoDak.
The advantage is not significant, but the Mk6L does have slight range advantage over the Mk3L. Below is my test with 120 gunners and BB II FCS. Top splashes are from NorCal guns, bottom from SoDak.
For future reference, range tests should always be performed with all guns aimed straight @ 270 or 90 degrees due to grahpical perception reasons.
Nor should ever be done on the South Dakota Hull as the guns are actually placed slightly Port of center compared to the visual sprite.
The actual range between the Mark 6Ls and the Mark 3Ls is actually varying.
Due to both guns having horrid spread and the low overall accuracy revision by the BB Aiming FCS I their, both guns ranges and spreads vary significantly between shots as this collection of screenshots shows:
(Top gun is the Mark 6Ls, bottom Gun is Mark 3Ls, Test on North Carolina using BB Aiming I FCS, Test Server 120 Gunners classed Acc/Rld/Acc)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxnkpIDAwsfNzdCMlZzWU9Icm8/edit?usp=sharing
As you can see, some Mark 6 shells land FAR ahead of the Mark3s and some land even shorter than the Mark 3s.
You'll also notice how both guns Go up and down, left and right between shots. (Each shot saved 1 marker from the previous shot. Each screenshot holds 4 markers per gun.)
Also, you'll notice the Mark 3s are slightly more consistant than the Mark 6s (Both have horrid spread). However in the low 80s near both guns minimum level, the Mark 6s spread is better than the Mark 3s, the mark 3s improves more per level than the mark 6s.
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 26. 2014 02:10
axyarthur
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Originally Posted by normpearii
For future reference, range tests should always be performed with all guns aimed straight @ 270 or 90 degrees due to grahpical perception reasons.
Nor should ever be done on the South Dakota Hull as the guns are actually placed slightly Port of center compared to the visual sprite.
The actual range between the Mark 6Ls and the Mark 3Ls is actually varying.
Due to both guns having horrid spread and the low overall accuracy revision by the BB Aiming FCS I their, both guns ranges and spreads vary significantly between shots as this collection of screenshots shows:
(Top gun is the Mark 6Ls, bottom Gun is Mark 3Ls, Test on North Carolina using BB Aiming I FCS, Test Server 120 Gunners classed Acc/Rld/Acc)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxnkpIDAwsfNzdCMlZzWU9Icm8/edit?usp=sharing
As you can see, some Mark 6 shells land FAR ahead of the Mark3s and some land even shorter than the Mark 3s.
You'll also notice how both guns Go up and down, left and right between shots. (Each shot saved 1 marker from the previous shot. Each screenshot holds 4 markers per gun.)
Also, you'll notice the Mark 3s are slightly more consistant than the Mark 6s (Both have horrid spread). However in the low 80s near both guns minimum level, the Mark 6s spread is better than the Mark 3s, the mark 3s improves more per level than the mark 6s.
Impressive study.
Actually, I don't think any of what you said contradicts with my claim that Mk6 guns have slightly better range than Mk3 guns.
Yes, they both have pretty bad spread
Yes, they have large overlap in their dispersion envelope
However, the Mk6s does have greater chance of landing further than the Mk3s. That is what having better range means. True, on any given salvo, the Mk 6 shells can land with equal or less range than Mk3 shells. But if you average over many salvos, you'll find that the Mk6 shells will have greater probability of landing slightly further than the Mk3. That has been my experience and I'm sure most people who have played the 2 ships (norcal vs. sodak) who agree. The range advantage is not huge, but it is there.
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 28. 2014 01:16
MESY
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In short:
Sodak : fast ship, good turnning, short handed
Indiana : Sodak ship hull with North carolina gun, speed & turnning.
Maryland : Sodak gun on new mexico ship hull.
you can play AW if you use those 14" triple instead of 16"
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Re : Maryland vs Indiana vs SoDak
03. 28. 2014 16:13
normpearii
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Originally Posted by axyarthur
Originally Posted by normpearii
For future reference, range tests should always be performed with all guns aimed straight @ 270 or 90 degrees due to grahpical perception reasons.
Nor should ever be done on the South Dakota Hull as the guns are actually placed slightly Port of center compared to the visual sprite.
The actual range between the Mark 6Ls and the Mark 3Ls is actually varying.
Due to both guns having horrid spread and the low overall accuracy revision by the BB Aiming FCS I their, both guns ranges and spreads vary significantly between shots as this collection of screenshots shows:
(Top gun is the Mark 6Ls, bottom Gun is Mark 3Ls, Test on North Carolina using BB Aiming I FCS, Test Server 120 Gunners classed Acc/Rld/Acc)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwxnkpIDAwsfNzdCMlZzWU9Icm8/edit?usp=sharing
As you can see, some Mark 6 shells land FAR ahead of the Mark3s and some land even shorter than the Mark 3s.
You'll also notice how both guns Go up and down, left and right between shots. (Each shot saved 1 marker from the previous shot. Each screenshot holds 4 markers per gun.)
Also, you'll notice the Mark 3s are slightly more consistant than the Mark 6s (Both have horrid spread). However in the low 80s near both guns minimum level, the Mark 6s spread is better than the Mark 3s, the mark 3s improves more per level than the mark 6s.
Impressive study.
Actually, I don't think any of what you said contradicts with my claim that Mk6 guns have slightly better range than Mk3 guns.
Yes, they both have pretty bad spread
Yes, they have large overlap in their dispersion envelope
However, the Mk6s does have greater chance of landing further than the Mk3s. That is what having better range means. True, on any given salvo, the Mk 6 shells can land with equal or less range than Mk3 shells. But if you average over many salvos, you'll find that the Mk6 shells will have greater probability of landing slightly further than the Mk3. That has been my experience and I'm sure most people who have played the 2 ships (norcal vs. sodak) who agree. The range advantage is not huge, but it is there.
The NorCal range advantage is useless, as the spray of the shells makes landing a decent salvo near impossible without getting the right combo of direction variance at the right time. This can be seen with higher attack records on the Post BB34AA patch Sodak than the post BB34AA NorCal. The biggest difference between the Mark 3s and the Mark 6s is the Mark 3s significantly improve between the 80s and 120. Whereas the Mark 6s barely change in the 40 levels, ending with horriffic spread that some BB guns don't even have at level. Its significantly worse than the preBB34AA Mark 3s, which spread was halfway between the current Mark 3s and 6s. The only thing I can compare to the Mark 6s is the Nagato guns, which are just as horrible, with 1 less shell. There is a reason my NorCal is called USS Shotgun. It simply sprays everywhere. In a line fight the NorCal has great poking ability, but it can't really abuse its salvo with the spread it has. Plus the KM BB3s have great range, decent damage and great spread. The KM BBs range and lower angle also negate the strengths of the Sodak. Thus making neither US BB really ideal in a competitive BB3 room. The sodak isn't a line fighter, its a get in, get out kind of ship. Against a NorCal, the Sodak should win if they aim correctly. As the hangtime and spread are significant disadvantages against the Sodak's speed and firing arc. Which is a real disappoinment, considering the Penny 42 is one of my favorite BB2s, along with the Colorado and Fuso. The Mark 3s are overall a better gun. Considering how the Mark 6s were before the BB34AA patch. The test team at the time did a pretty decent job to make them useable.
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