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Jobs that can hurt your career
02. 28. 2015 03:23
RockChest
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If you are about to graduate from college, hear this. Try your very best to land a job that matches your ability and the prestige of your school (does not apply for students starting own business or working for family business.) It is very tempting for work for quick $ to pay bills. But hear me out.
If your future recruiters sees that you cannot land a job within 6 months after graduating from an Ivy League or Ivy League-plus school, they are going to have concerns! What is wrong with this UPenn grad?? As for you, you will have a lot of explaining to do even if they ultimately decide to grant you an interview. I mean, the career centers in these top-notch school, combined with the name-brand of the degree, plus the alumni network, plus all other perks ... AND yet you still cannot land a job in this not-so-bad job market in America? Hmmm.
If you are thinking about that junior mortgage analyst or underwriter position, you have making a mistake. These are the kind of jobs intended for high school grads. It may be a great experience for summer breaks, but really not okay at all after you graduate.
Ask your parents or relatives to pay your private student loans if needs be, but do insist on and work your butt off for that decent first job!
My 2 cents.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 02. 2015 13:08
jacopo
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Why the fuck should parents be responsible for YOUR college debt? If you havent landed a job 6 months out of college, then you wasted 6-8 years of your life obtaining that degree.
The job market across America is terrible still. Yes, it is recovering, but extremely slowly.
IDGAF if you have a degree or not, one thing everyone needs to learn when entering the workforce:
YOU START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!
Anyone who thinks they can walk into a job and make booku bucks right out of the gate is delusional, brainwashed, or is seriously lacking in common sense.
Personally, college to me doesnt mean jack diddly shit other than you went to school for "X" amount of years and left your responsibilities and obligations in the care of someone else. College doesnt mean a damned thing anymore, especially with the liberal academics who dont contribute jack shit to society, other than the brainwashing of Americas youth...
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 02. 2015 18:14
mkzblaster
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Why are you not working when in school....
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 02. 2015 21:37
EricIdle
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Originally Posted by jacopo
Why the fuck should parents be responsible for YOUR college debt? If you havent landed a job 6 months out of college, then you wasted 6-8 years of your life obtaining that degree.
The job market across America is terrible still. Yes, it is recovering, but extremely slowly.
IDGAF if you have a degree or not, one thing everyone needs to learn when entering the workforce:
YOU START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!
Anyone who thinks they can walk into a job and make booku bucks right out of the gate is delusional, brainwashed, or is seriously lacking in common sense.
Personally, college to me doesnt mean jack diddly shit other than you went to school for "X" amount of years and left your responsibilities and obligations in the care of someone else. College doesnt mean a damned thing anymore, especially with the liberal academics who dont contribute jack shit to society, other than the brainwashing of Americas youth...
So many people like saying they've changed...
Except they don't.
Your rage against college students and their teachers has nothing to do here.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 02. 2015 21:47
Kogard
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Top universities only give u around 10-20% what u need in workforce.
U know nowdays they more common with 'sertification' thing for a job, disregarding where ur diploma comes from. I can see near the future they will want everyone to get sertification thingy, even for help desk job.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 03. 2015 01:11
gun_ak47
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I don't think your first job don't matter much. Fortune 500 companies don't discount candidates for taking up odd jobs after graduation. However, they do consider the college you attended. If you don't graduate from the top 100 or so universities/liberal art colleges, you will have a tough time getting job interviews there.
With that said, I believe your first job matters a lot for your long-term career advancement. Unless your performance on the job is absolutely steller, promotion to middle management in my company pretty much depends on your college and your first job. The rationale is that your first job is crucial in forming your work ethics and your world view. Not the most fair way to judge future leaders I feel...but well..
Funny thing is that people who get promoted to directors level are typically asked to go attend top 20 business schools (some do full-time, other part-time). I think their first job may play a role in their admissions chances too.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 03. 2015 07:59
austinpage
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Originally Posted by jacopo
Why the fuck should parents be responsible for YOUR college debt? If you havent landed a job 6 months out of college, then you wasted 6-8 years of your life obtaining that degree.
The job market across America is terrible still. Yes, it is recovering, but extremely slowly.
IDGAF if you have a degree or not, one thing everyone needs to learn when entering the workforce:
YOU START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!
Anyone who thinks they can walk into a job and make booku bucks right out of the gate is delusional, brainwashed, or is seriously lacking in common sense.
Personally, college to me doesnt mean jack diddly shit other than you went to school for "X" amount of years and left your responsibilities and obligations in the care of someone else. College doesnt mean a damned thing anymore, especially with the liberal academics who dont contribute jack shit to society, other than the brainwashing of Americas youth...
You are certainly allowed an opinion but I'd have to disagree with you on many points. First off the op did not say parents should be responsible paying for their child's schooling. I am assuming you had no help but you will find that a vast amount of parents are more than willing to pay their child's way. Is this a waste of their money? No. they believe in and support their children as I would do the same. Some parents cannot afford to support their children through school and some just don't choose to. Neither are wrong. It's a personal preference. Having not found a suitable job in 6 months is by no means a waste of your schooling. I'd rather a population of well educated youth than close minded half wits. Although you may not give a rats ass if someone has a degree or not is solely your opinion but unfortunetely not the opinion of many employers. They care. It makes a difference. Sure you can find a job without it but there are way more opportunities with one. True most have to start at the bottom and work their way up. This is the norm and works the same with people with degrees and those without. Mind you I know of many that have moved much quicker and started higher simply because they had a degree. Those that want more money will know this. "Anyone who thinks they can walk into a job and make booku bucks right out of the gate is delusional, brainwashed, or is seriously lacking in common sense." This quote made me laugh. You are wrong. It may not be a great percentage but trust me many can and do make serious bucks straight out of college/university. It's a shame you've already decided it's delusional to think this way. Sure not everyone can do it but I know of many including myself who've made your comments seem rediculous. We can do whatever we want in US/Canada. We just have to work hard and believe in ourselves. Once you decide something isn't possible you'll never understand. I won't touch on your views on "liberal academics".
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 03. 2015 15:42
RockChest
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Originally Posted by jacopo
Why the fuck should parents be responsible for YOUR college debt? If you havent landed a job 6 months out of college, then you wasted 6-8 years of your life obtaining that degree.
Well, recruiters tend to think this way too. College grads from top schools typically don't have to start at Starbucks for the reason I mentioned in the original post. But hey! job market is tough nowadays. Bottom line is you don't want to create an impression on your resume that you are a loser. And you can always repay your parents once you get a good first job.
Originally Posted by jacopo
IDGAF if you have a degree or not, one thing everyone needs to learn when entering the workforce:
YOU START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!
Yes, Harvard graduates still have to work their way up from the bottom. The difference is that they start at the bottom rung in investment banking, rather than that junior corporate financial analyst job responsible for approving catering expenses.
Originally Posted by jacopo
Anyone who thinks they can walk into a job and make booku bucks right out of the gate is delusional, brainwashed, or is seriously lacking in common sense.
Agreed. Even for investment bankers their pay is quite horrible (you have to divide their pay by the 100 hours a week they have to work). For college grads, pay isn't the #1 concern. They need to get the right first job as a stepping stone to a position that pays $$$ in the future.
Originally Posted by jacopo
Personally, college to me doesnt mean jack diddly shit other than you went to school for "X" amount of years and left your responsibilities and obligations in the care of someone else. College doesnt mean a damned thing anymore, especially with the liberal academics who dont contribute jack shit to society, other than the brainwashing of Americas youth...
Here is the thing. The lack of college degree rules you out from more than 50% of jobs for America youth. If you have a degree from top schools you are good. If you have a degree from non-top schools you will struggle a bit but that's okay. Hard work will overcome it. And even if you have a college degree, you will have to get a professional/masters/phD degree in the future to remain competitive. This isn't the 1970's anymore. Just look of the hike in # of graduate school degree produced each year (do not count online masters programs since recruiters don't recognize them as legit). You will understand the trend.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 18. 2015 15:04
Sidley711
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I'll make a post on this because I am currently living through this at the moment. I didn't go to a top school I went to a crap school. i mean my Bachelors might as well be printed on the back of a McDonalds bag. I have taking a beating on the job market, but i have found jobs in my field it just been a run of bad luck that both offices were closed due to down sizing. before graduating I spent 6 years as a retail manager and that never seemed to keep me from getting another job, but i'm not sure they ever helped me either.
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Re : Jobs that can hurt your career
03. 18. 2015 16:54
RockChest
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Originally Posted by Sidley711
I'll make a post on this because I am currently living through this at the moment. I didn't go to a top school I went to a crap school. i mean my Bachelors might as well be printed on the back of a McDonalds bag. I have taking a beating on the job market, but i have found jobs in my field it just been a run of bad luck that both offices were closed due to down sizing. before graduating I spent 6 years as a retail manager and that never seemed to keep me from getting another job, but i'm not sure they ever helped me either.
Only 8% or so college graduates went to the top 20 schools. But for the rest of us, we just have to build our careers carefully as we don't enjoy their fast track opportunities. Unemployment benefits last quite a while and federal student loan payment are suspended while the borrower has no income. I would hold out longer to move into a well-known company, instead of working for a small firm again. Ironically, the big-company brand name would be incredibly helpful for landing job in small start-ups further into the future. One just have to resist the temptation of becoming a "lifer" in the stable big corporate environment. (Unless you are finding success in climbing the corporate ladder, of course). Plan A: Big Corporation -> Focus doing what you are good at, and schmooze -> Promotions -> Become a contractor ( = $$$ and freedom) Plan B: Big Corporation -> Jump around work groups and functions -> Well-rounded resume -> Start own business or work for start-ups Plan C: Small promising companies -> Be jack of all trades and be visible -> Hope for company to succeed -> Become a Vice President due to seniority These plans are by no mean exhaustive. A little long term plan drive one to suceed, no matter if your story unfolds according to plan. I myself is in a junction of career switch, and have the fortune to do my carrer all over again with the benefit of past lessons (plus some $ saved up)
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