I have seen lots of decent SN CV. Well, They have above average dive bombers.

Thing is we whine much, but don't actually do much.
No one shows up at the testing to fix what it is due back there. The testing team is inactive, and no one is willing to do boring test.


If we were active, that would be another story,. You 6 innch dual would never have bb range.
But yet, ideas to attract testing people such as rewarding them with real prize are not being looked at. Instead they reward with silly amount of credits that most of us do not care.

SN isn't going to be fixed at this rate just to tell you.

You do know that it shoudn't be the players that need to fix the game. You say we whine and we don't do much. Well alot of people pay them. If the company can't or won't fix what the players are asking for then it is not the players fault. Why is it that in almost all other games I play if there is a problem it is fixed by the company. Yet in NF we all say "well you know I didn't show up to the testing so its not SDE fault its mine"

This is stupid SDE dosn't give a shit because we don't make them give a shit. (I know it won't happen but if everyone stopped paying for anything in this game until stuff was fixed or ballanced. You would see alot more work done at a much greater speed). The way it is set up now why should SDE care they still make money off of a bugged game and people are still willing to pay for it.

How many mainstream games go through open beta testing which involves the future player base.

If your not pleased with the game, why continue to play it (or even better pay)? Look at cars, some recalls are done on defective parts, but many (and I stress many) are never recalled. When your car has problems (outside of limited covered warrenties and fighting for those) you pay the bill for the repair work. There is no lifetime free fix even though you paid for the car. Should manufacturers be obligated to "buff" your car simply because newer "better" models come out?

Aside from Non-Profit, not-for-profit and family run businesses, do not expect a business to be your friend. They put the money up to start not to provide people with the service but for the income, profit and return at the end. Show me more than a handful of people around here that would be willing to back a loan, or front the capital to start a company/project with no guarantees of return, and maybe i'll be willing to consider a different look on businesses.

It's not a car business. It's a game! so a game needs balanced system. I guess you picked a wrong example.
Customers(players) can request balancing fix when the game system is unbalanced! because unlike cars, game is continuos( not sure about spelling -.-) service not a product.
after you bought a car, you receive a car and that's it. only warrantee is remain. However,
a game is service and it's continuos so players can hope for better balance. That's is why online game companies
aim continuos customer satisfaction. The companies are not fools. they do what they need for their survival. They
can't just let customers leave game because of unsolved complains. if the companies do what you said, ignoring complains and let them leave they will lose profit and... you can see that you are playing this game alone someday lol. you are talking about a century ago very old style business.
these days customer satisfaction and brand image is very important for operating business...

anyway... this is off topic thing...
let's get back to original discussion.

SN BBs especially BB5 should be fixed in my opinion...
SN BB5 is slow, has low turning force, high degree guns(which is not easy to
hit fast, small ships) and average hit box(not sure).
so because of these disadvantages, SN BB5 is supposed to has
2nd long range and good firepower.
However, they nerfed the range and even submergence(not sure about spelling).

testers should buff range and a little bit submergence
OR
buff speed and turning force to be normal

to give a chance to fight fairly with other BB5s

anyway... it was my personal opinion
and as you can see, because of my poor English, I can't go to testers dicussion forum
and claim for SN BB5 buff.... I have no ability to persuade them!... too sad thing

p.s. I'm not sure about SN BB5 range because for now I'm using 100 lev guns and its range is same
as Alsace.... and I guess 110 lev guns will be short too but I'm not sure so anyone who played with
110 lev quad guns would know about its range better than me... but I heard that it is not 2nd ranged

Not quite sure how you want to explain a game being a service and not a product. Online play is an extenstion of a product. Rather then posting other game names and having them all edited out just consider a game you've played (resulting in paying). Or use premium items, key word being ITEMS. Most if not all products carry some type of customer service, do not make the mistake of customer service departments making a product a service.

In terms of "businesses dieing because of unresolved complaints". How many on here are paying for items or premium in this game with all of the complaints going around (many for over years)? Yet the company is around...

Branding is important, but not the deciding factor of a company but rather its opportunity to expand itself. Toyota is still around even after all the problems with sticking gas pedals, microsoft and windows is still around despite all the complaints of crashing, NF is still around despite all of the complaints, as are many other companies.

There are numerous ways for companies to succeed despite less desirable products/services, to be frank price is usually the major factor for differences in quality as are niches and monopolies, and neccessity.

The one thing I can agree with you in your previous statement is that companies do what they must to survive.

As for player testing, again look at other mainstream games that have gone through open beta testing relying on customers and players to help in the testing efforts. Do not expect SDE to be built the same way as those other companies unless you want to begin buying NF game in stores, buying expansions and paying monthly service fees regularly, on top of premium items.

As for SN and all the complaining, for the number of people and the amount of complaints there are plenty of people and time that could have been spent in testing. Can't say that I'd want most of the people who have ranted being responsible for changes made to balance as most players have tendincies to want what benefits them, however with a large enough pool that should be virtually wiped out.