Originally Posted by aingeal
every member in this community had a right to vote. Those who didnt therefore CHOSE not too. Consider someone that didn't vote as someone who didn't care one way or another, and would be happy with both.
The bunch of "edited" no votes where proved to be those who tried to cheat out the poll. Its actually fair to isolate the cheaters, rather than give them any kind of success by invalidating the poll.
sde already invalidated the poll when they adjust the number to suit themselves ..
you failed to address the issue of how to sort multiple people voting on a shared machine (family/friends/cafe)
and how to distinguish them from one person abuse-voting multiple times .. they do have the same footprint ..
which is why i suggested a fleet-leader only vote to solve this issue ... a known ONE vote per fleet avoid it
Originally Posted by aingeal
While some aren't in fleets for now, doesn't mean they won't be in a close future, and a change shouldn't be based on only a few people's opinion. NF is for every NF player, not only fleet leaders. They aren't an elite, just people that formed fleets.
yes .. nf is for every nf player .... and ha is only for fleet players ... so .....
why would canada and mexican votes count for us president elections ?
and your other point(less) comment on potential ...
while some americans are under 18 and will become voters someday ..
they can NOT vote until they DO become 18 ... so current fleet members who play HA are the valid group
everyone NOT in a fleet can NOT play HA and thus have no grounds to demand a voice in the matter ... yet
they are free to join a fleet if they wish their voices heard on fleet-play matters .. but until then they are invalid
Originally Posted by aingeal
Also it would be unrepresentative, since not all fleet have the same size, and a small non-HA able fleet would have the same power as the bigger fleets. Even if some fleet leader really polled their members, many would take their personnal vote thx a lot. A fleet with 20 members, if 9 vote for and 11 against would be a no vote, and one with 50 members, 45 vote yes, 5 vote no, would be a yes vote. That mean 50/50 for a real representation of 54 yes/16 no.
How is that fair?
you did some selective reading purely so you could argue ? ..... you totally spaced on what i said above ..
ONE vote per fleet leader regardless of fleet size .. thats why we have 2senators per state regardless of size
Originally Posted by aingeal
What if your country decided only mayors could vote for the president, since they could poll their citizen?
Would you support that?
you obviously don't understand democracy as practiced in my country ... cuz that pretty much EXACTLY how it works here .. except its the ELECTORAL COLLEGE and not mayors who vote .... the american people do NOT vote directly for the president ..
voting prcoedures are clear and they were violated here .. the entire poll is invalid for several very real reasons
its the failure to understand how democracy actually works that causes it to fail in other countries ..
it failed when france tried to do it with their french revolution 'democracy' fiasco
and i expect that many of teh mid-east countries trying to have their own revolutions will fail as well unless they heed the lessons and learn the procedures that actually allow a democracy to work ... pure democracy usually fails because people are too lazy to practice their RESPONSIBILITY to EDUCATE themselves in what they demand the RIGHT to vote on ...
you have not addressed any of my original points at all .. you selected a skewed portion to suit your desire to argue
