Since the quote button is hiding from me...

"Ships of importance besides BBs cannot be sniped by Subs because CVs can hide so far in the back of the fleet that submarines cannot reach them, and because things that subs would be going after in traditional war, that is, supply ships and transport ships, do not exist in standard Navyfield. "

Hm. Ive killed you a few times. It was an ss4 with the air time, but ive reached and killed you a few times, and hundreds of other times on other players.

I like this alot. The only problem i see with it is that it would make games much longer, depending on how much bigger the maps got. Some wont like this because it would reduce from their precious exp, and theyd move on to something else (maybe normal rooms? :D) and the game mode that implements this would die off. On the other hand, some of the older or non-exp-orientated players would probably find it fun to have something that lasts and implements strategy elements.

Lol, in war, subs hid from normal damage and acted as BB killers if they could. Reason they couldnt: DD screen. In NF , as in RL, when BB/CV have an ASW/AA screen they are protected from Air/Sub attacks. Just like in RL. Just like in NF.

But NF =/= RL , as every tool in the game loves to point out, as if that means anything.

They didnt surround BB and CA and CV with DD/CL for the fun of it. They did it to protect the valuable ships. BB were designed to destroy any targets at extreme range, history shows us that they did this well, and they do this well in NF. They were not designed to engage or hunt SS or small ships, reload times coupled with slower turrets made engaging small targets much safer for a CA/CL.

All the tools are in this game to completely neutralize SS, and when used, they do. Easily. A person can make a new acct, play for an hour, then commence destroying ships 70+ levels higher than him, easily. But this is ok, since sometimes, an SS can have a satifsying run, and do very well.

The main reason for their OP-ness in GB is simply a lack of teamplay. Noone knows what setup anyone else is using beforehand, no-one has been selected to run ASW, or to take north/south, w/e. SO SS can get a bit OP when noone counters them. THEN, when they reach the line, what to BB do? Basically nothing,. they just keep blazing away at the enemy line and end up getting sunk. Rarely do they run. Half the time they don't even call for ASW.

SO I can understand the frustration some feel in GB, but w/e , have an ASW escort, annoying yes, but they are damn good shots with HH, and let you see them in time to run.

BUT, since what I just stated is true, there really is no excuse for leaving SS unrepresented in organized teamplay. Certain individuals leave them almost completely out of teamplay due to their "OP" status. This is ironic, because the one type of play where SS threats CAN be dealt with by a team, they are left out. If you organize ASW and they fail, it is a team failure, and you get what you deserve. But not in NF, no sir.

No, in NF, people would rather defeat SS at the negotiating table, instead of actually doing it ingame. They flaunt over and over again , their totally insane amount of time wasted and BO's leveled as a reason their opinion matters more than anyone else, and condemn anyone who disagrees as "Noob".

Funny, if "noobs" can kill SS easily, why can't the "individuals" with the most "skill"? Haven't found an answer for that one.

Naw, they just keep killing the game, driving away players, and defending an unworkable overall gameplay and progression system. Riddle me this: If hving things the way they are is the "best" thing, why does the game keep dying?

They say "noobs" would take over if certain changes were made. SO? where better to find a steady supply of food?

Naw, I think the current system is actually DESIGNED to keep players as clueless as possible for as long as possible, preserving the advantages of the few at the top. Lol, what other game has random players trying to decide by vote whether a technical answer about the game is correct, instead of a dev just saying what the answer is? (think of nearly any question about the game, then look for te answers here or anywhere else, you will see what I mean.)

This is probably going to be my last forum post. I could go on for hours, but I won't say anything tat hasnt been said by me and at least 500 other people many, many, times before. When I returned to the game and saw SS, I thought "wow! things must have changed a LOT.(not because I had some sort of chubby to own a sub, but they had stated there would NEVER be SS ingame, and actually banned it from being suggested in forums) Maybe the devs decided they wanted a real player base and some money rolling in, and told the self serving "elites" of the game to eff off, and deal with it. " Nope. Not so much. They'll just milk out the last dregs of cash from the most diehard people, until they cant cover bandwidth and server costs, then prolly let one of those people run a private server and be done with it. Sad, sad, sad.

Sad that SDE's only real apparent competition was it's most "dedicated" players.

I like the idea of different playing environments.

I really enjoy the game but I can see myself having breaks from time to time based on repetitiveness.

Personally I would love more strategy based scenarios. Strategy takes teamwork and understanding, which I love.


Defend the convoy / Prevent the enemy from escaping through your lines / and many better ideas I'm sure(I didn't spend time on this list) More historic scenarios (that are actually playable) better training maps

joshmon999 made some good points on this; at least imo

you do not know what other ships are equipped with

and

DESIGNED to keep players as clueless as possible for as long as possible (as a "relatively" new player I can agree to feeling lost on more then one occasion and struggling to find the information or the Training missions available I felt I needed. Although we may differ on why we think it is like this)

This is part of the main reason I started playing SS. Which imo is balanced by it's vulnerabilities weaknesses as Original Poster and others have mentioned. Easy to sink with the right tools, easy to avoid with good team communication.

Happymeal2 mentioned:

Some wont like this because it would reduce from their precious exp.

Imo if a game is not primarily fun, there is something wrong. I grind at work I play to have fun. Personally I don't even know what level my sailors are and don't care to much. Eventually they'll level up until then I have fun with what I have and what I'm up against. If I'm outmatched by skill or equipment it makes it all the more sweet that 1/10 times I do pull of something special.

But sometimes lining up in that rectangle and doing almost the same thing over and over .......... I can't help but think is there nothing more ...........

More maps and scenarios (and hopefully training) A BIG yes from me but not because of the SS. To make the game more dynamic, to increase team play, to include more variety, to increase and train different styles of play, thereby creating different challenges also.

I'm going to play a quick round or two before bed, I bet you anything it will be GB .............. nothing else gets played.

I am tired so I hope I managed to convey my ideas well enough just in case I failed somewhere, I am neither 'hating' or 'noobing' on ANYTHING!

and as previously mentioned I am a "relatively" new player. So if I'm too new or too inexperienced to understand "something" feel free to explain or not. Please be respectful and polite about it though ........

Great Original Post with a lot of thought put in and Fantastic discussion possibilities . Thank You

Take your crying somewhere else and think about the idea please....