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China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 21. 2012 12:29
zaftlee
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 22. 2012 14:46
Sonlirain
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Originally Posted by Vassilli
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Whats the difference?
More or less a difference compareable to USA and Canada.
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 22. 2012 14:51
ChicagoBears
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Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Any aircraft carrier is combat effective. Just when one is outnumbered only about 20 to 1, then it isn't as effective lol
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 22. 2012 15:32
normpearii
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Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Any aircraft carrier is combat effective. Just when one is outnumbered only about 20 to 1, then it isn't as effective lol
US only operates 11 active at a time for the last 30 odd years.
If you don't have planes, defense strategems, the infastructure (Resupply networks) (Well not yet but they have the resources to get that easily) to keep it at sea or skilled pilots to fly off the thing, its not combat effective.
Not until you have atleast those, can you call it combat effective.
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 22. 2012 17:49
Vassilli
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Originally Posted by Sonlirain
Originally Posted by Vassilli
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Whats the difference?
More or less a difference compareable to USA and Canada.
Exactly
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 22. 2012 17:52
ChicagoBears
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Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Any aircraft carrier is combat effective. Just when one is outnumbered only about 20 to 1, then it isn't as effective lol
US only operates 11 active at a time for the last 30 odd years.
If you don't have planes, defense strategems, the infastructure (Resupply networks) (Well not yet but they have the resources to get that easily) to keep it at sea or skilled pilots to fly off the thing, its not combat effective.
Not until you have atleast those, can you call it combat effective.
We may only have 11 but we still out number the Chinese 11 to 0 with combat effective and ready carriers. If the Chinese really want to start another arms race with us then, well we already have about 30 odd years advantage over them, meaning we don't have to make nearly as many new weapons as they would have to in order to bust their economy just like what happened to Russia. (Not saying that was a good thing but if the Chinese don't want to back down from making even more weapons for 3rd World Country militia coupes and drug cartels as well as terroists to snatch up in about 50 years down the road, then there isn't many people who are willing or capable of stopping them.)
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 24. 2012 02:40
Urquie
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Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Any aircraft carrier is combat effective. Just when one is outnumbered only about 20 to 1, then it isn't as effective lol
US only operates 11 active at a time for the last 30 odd years.
If you don't have planes, defense strategems, the infastructure (Resupply networks) (Well not yet but they have the resources to get that easily) to keep it at sea or skilled pilots to fly off the thing, its not combat effective.
Not until you have atleast those, can you call it combat effective.
We may only have 11 but we still out number the Chinese 11 to 0 with combat effective and ready carriers. If the Chinese really want to start another arms race with us then, well we already have about 30 odd years advantage over them, meaning we don't have to make nearly as many new weapons as they would have to in order to bust their economy just like what happened to Russia. (Not saying that was a good thing but if the Chinese don't want to back down from making even more weapons for 3rd World Country militia coupes and drug cartels as well as terroists to snatch up in about 50 years down the road, then there isn't many people who are willing or capable of stopping them.)
That is the point their economy is rising and US is dropping plus if they called in their debt the US would tumble, true fact $15 trillion debt and $2 trillion to china thats a scary position to be in. They have the US in their pockets
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 24. 2012 03:19
SSN762
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Here's the problem China has. THey have no way to project power. China can't call in their debt any easier than we can cancel all of our orders for Chinese products.
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 24. 2012 09:12
Urquie
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Originally Posted by SSN762
Here's the problem China has. THey have no way to project power. China can't call in their debt any easier than we can cancel all of our orders for Chinese products.
good answer :D
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 24. 2012 09:24
CNR4806
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Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by ChicagoBears
Originally Posted by CNR4806
Originally Posted by Vassilli
And they bought it from the russians Ukrainians.
Corrected.
Anyway, they're still figuring out how to use it. Even if they do get the thing fully operational I will still doubt its combat effectiveness.
Any aircraft carrier is combat effective. Just when one is outnumbered only about 20 to 1, then it isn't as effective lol
US only operates 11 active at a time for the last 30 odd years.
If you don't have planes, defense strategems, the infastructure (Resupply networks) (Well not yet but they have the resources to get that easily) to keep it at sea or skilled pilots to fly off the thing, its not combat effective.
Not until you have atleast those, can you call it combat effective.
We may only have 11 but we still out number the Chinese 11 to 0 with combat effective and ready carriers. If the Chinese really want to start another arms race with us then, well we already have about 30 odd years advantage over them, meaning we don't have to make nearly as many new weapons as they would have to in order to bust their economy just like what happened to Russia. (Not saying that was a good thing but if the Chinese don't want to back down from making even more weapons for 3rd World Country militia coupes and drug cartels as well as terroists to snatch up in about 50 years down the road, then there isn't many people who are willing or capable of stopping them.)
Speaking of outnumbering, the aircraft carrying capability of an Admiral Kuznetsov class is laughable in front of a Nimitz class since they're designed for different purposes.
And it seems that China is not going to fully equip the Liaoning for what she was originally designed for (An aircraft carrier with crazy onboard firepower). Which futher makes me doubt about how effective the thing will be.
At worst it will be taking on the flaws of both the Admiral Kuznetsov and the Nimitz: Low aircraft carrying ability and the lack of ability to project fully-loaded aircraft into the sky of the former, and the lack of self-defense capability (thus the need for a massive combat group) of the latter.
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Re : China's New Aircraft Carrier The Liaoning, 67,000 tons carrier (CG animation)
10. 24. 2012 09:38
Vassilli
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Whats an aircraft carrier without aircraft? A casino
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