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SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 11:41
tokes84
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Whether you were for or against subs in the beginning and/or are still now, sad to say that the time has come to give the sub-haters in this game what they want. Scrap the lines, and rebuild/rebalance ALL tiers for ALL nations. The S5's are a downgrade and than their previous tier...for ALL nations. The turn force, speed, and reload times are far worse than any tier 4 that can be named. Personally, my long wait has ended in utter dissapointment.
Just scrap 'em SDE. YOU FAILED!
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 15:27
richardphat
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Question
@tokes Why didn't you complain about what happen on the test server, when they were there for a month or so?
@ultra dog Why starting to create a huge complain when you did participate in the discussion and know what happen on the test server forum?
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 15:39
tokes84
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Whatever falcon....you took an imply where there wasn't one. Ppl like yourself are why i'm sick of this community. And I'm sure u never complained in a KM sub....your proxy torps make a complaint from u moot from the start. I didn't ignore your points, they just were poor points.......you wanted to know why speed/turning shouldn't be a huge concern, which i stated. Sorry you can't handle being wrong or made clear on a matter....sucks to be you.
You haven't proven me wrong on anything from what i've read....only misunderstanding what has been said and failing to see the point made.
I never said subs were balanced to start with, only fun to play.....and the addition of the 5's has totally screwed it up since they tried making the corrections for the lines in just those ships for the most part.
And lastly, I've been called more names and been bashed on every post in this forum since the first day i came to it. I see almost every new player that comes to these forums get the same treatment every single time i visit, which has not been often due to this very sort of thing (and the poor patches mind you). Very few of you deserve any respect or otherwise civilized words because you simply do not show it to others, so don't expect me to stroke your ego (or anything else you perv) just for the sake of yet another telling you that you were right. You expect others to be nice, and courteous, and kiss your rear ends just because you took time from trolling the forums to say something? HAH, get over yourselves! Respect is earned, not deserved folks....don't expect what you are unable to show. And while i'm on the trolling topic....stop calling me a troll, falcon, and stalking what few posts i make, just to make yourself look kewl or feel better. It only proves how childish you really are sir.
----> Back to the point of this drama show.........with few claims from the opposing side, the S5's are junk. Overpriced and underpowered in comparison with their counterparts. The performance on all of them are slow and sloppy which is the exact opposite of what ANY player would expect to see with crews higher lvl than the ship they are on. Yes, I expect my rld times to be short because i took the time to lvl my torpers well above operating lvl. I expect to at least be able to do same speed i had when i FIRST got an s2,3, or 4 with at level crew......not less speed with above lvl ( incase u missed it, that's backwards ). And no, i don't expect every one of them to stop and turn on a freakin dime, but by GOD, at least 1 would have been nice. However, I'm simply unwilling to tolerate the frustration of the programming combined with the rudest player community ever. So more waiting around to fix what shouldn't be broken is out of the question now.
Peace & Chicken Grease ---- It was fun while it all lasted! :P
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 15:46
masc24
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thats the 3rd time in this thread you've said you are leaving
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 15:57
Rehor
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Watch out NAVY714, there's a new guy in town.
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:07
Gtdawg
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Originally Posted by tokes84
*To Gt - make up your mind where u stand on this topic....you change your mind about subs more than a woman changes outfits.
wat
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:11
Jimbo909
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Originally Posted by tokes84
Whatever falcon....you took an imply where there wasn't one. Ppl like yourself are why i'm sick of this community. And I'm sure u never complained in a KM sub....your proxy torps make a complaint from u moot from the start. I didn't ignore your points, they just were poor points.......you wanted to know why speed/turning shouldn't be a huge concern, which i stated. Sorry you can't handle being wrong or made clear on a matter....sucks to be you.
You haven't proven me wrong on anything from what i've read....only misunderstanding what has been said and failing to see the point made.
I never said subs were balanced to start with, only fun to play.....and the addition of the 5's has totally screwed it up since they tried making the corrections for the lines in just those ships for the most part.
And lastly, I've been called more names and been bashed on every post in this forum since the first day i came to it. I see almost every new player that comes to these forums get the same treatment every single time i visit, which has not been often due to this very sort of thing (and the poor patches mind you). Very few of you deserve any respect or otherwise civilized words because you simply do not show it to others, so don't expect me to stroke your ego (or anything else you perv) just for the sake of yet another telling you that you were right. You expect others to be nice, and courteous, and kiss your rear ends just because you took time from trolling the forums to say something? HAH, get over yourselves! Respect is earned, not deserved folks....don't expect what you are unable to show. And while i'm on the trolling topic....stop calling me a troll, falcon, and stalking what few posts i make, just to make yourself look kewl or feel better. It only proves how childish you really are sir.
----> Back to the point of this drama show.........with few claims from the opposing side, the S5's are junk. Overpriced and underpowered in comparison with their counterparts. The performance on all of them are slow and sloppy which is the exact opposite of what ANY player would expect to see with crews higher lvl than the ship they are on. Yes, I expect my rld times to be short because i took the time to lvl my torpers well above operating lvl. I expect to at least be able to do same speed i had when i FIRST got an s2,3, or 4 with at level crew......not less speed with above lvl ( incase u missed it, that's backwards ). And no, i don't expect every one of them to stop and turn on a freakin dime, but by GOD, at least 1 would have been nice. However, I'm simply unwilling to tolerate the frustration of the programming combined with the rudest player community ever. So more waiting around to fix what shouldn't be broken is out of the question now.
Peace & Chicken Grease ---- It was fun while it all lasted! :P
Thought you were leaving? if it bothers you that bad id just stay off the forum.
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:14
shadez84
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Hi, kinda new to the forums....still kinda sorta new to the game, but not....if that makes any sense. I have friends that play....( I know...amazing right ). Anyways, I only have CV crews but have had ample opportunity to play subs via other accounts. I've played 3 of the 5 nations in the sub lines so far. I've tried each tier sub in the lines just to get an idea of the arguments ppl have about them, and recently tried the S5's. I agree with Tokes....the 5's perform so much worse than the 4's. They are too sluggish and the extra air time doesn't make any difference because that time is lost with the speed reduction....so really they gained no ground there. The only plus i saw was the extra torp range, which still is only a slight increase....very slight. It might have made a difference on their range if u were still able to keep up with most BB's that run, but since they are slower than what most are used to fighting.....now they just outrun u and your torps same as they did when s2 was new.
Umm....not sure about the whole CV argument other than, once again i agree with tokes. CV should be at the back, pushing ftrs. for scouting purposes......or even running bombers from a relative safe distance. Subs should be a lesser threat to any cv, while enemy bombers take more priority. I never have trouble with enemy subs unless i get too close to the line, or just fail to head other direction in time when i see them in our battle area.
PS - stick around tokes! some of us still think you're awesome! don't listen to some of these guys! :) cheers mate
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:16
cloudysea
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Actually i think most of the ss5 mods are a good thing, slower reloads, slower speed and more air,
the big gun on UK SS5 is fun for 5 seconds, surfacing and hitting a ship then diving, but it is ultimately useless. as is a scout in GB games
i see Km players are still whingeing about not being twice as good as other subs anymore, probably only 190%
the thing i have the problem with is the UK ss5, apart from the above that i dont mind, it only has 4 torp tubes and the biggest killer, no rear so it makes it impossible to engage other subs
It was near impossible to sink KM SS4s before SS5s came along cause of them being far too overpowered, logically if you are going to give the proxy torps, it shoud be them with the high dud rate, not the other way around
I think i have said this before, its not subs that are overpowered, its the boosts that make them so,
I think it is well about time to totally rebalance all the subs
now there is no point in even playing subs( some of you will be glad of that)
do SDE want more or less people to play the game?
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:23
Baker654
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they should of saved the Surcouf for tier 6. that way it can have its full armament but still have high DP (perhaps the highest DP). Why the Royal navy should have the M class submarine, instead the should of been modified T-class submarines that have six torpedo tubes in front and 2 in back. Its nice to finally see the US submarine Gato and the German type IX but I think their performance should be improved especially in turning force. I don't know why they looked at my suggestions for SS5
http://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?page1=1&page=1&pagecount=0&category=D02&searchtype=0&sort=5&num=996&searchvalue=ss5
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Re : SS5 Failure
10. 14. 2011 16:28
masc24
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As much as I want to continue trolling you idiots, I feel compelled to make a constructive post.
You complain about the respective speed, turn force, amount of torp mounts, and rate of fire of SS5s compared to SS4s.
Lets observe some of the patterns of this game as you go higher up the ship tree (BBs and Subs, CV mechanics are different), pay special attention to what a ship gains vs what it loses from its predecessor and maybe you'll figure something out.
Gains
1- Displacement: True for every case you can think of ingame. True for SS5s.
2- Range: While this is a relative aspect, aside from a couple special cases, higher tier classes enjoy of a range advantage compared to its counterparts. Now in my opinion range for subs can mean 2 things: a) Range your torps have before they explode. b) How long can your sub stay submerged before it needs to surface (air time). Both are true for SS5s.
3- Crew slots: Either same or higher. True for SS5s.
4- Damage output: Like #2, this is relative, and there are a couple exceptions, but in general, it is safe to say most upper class ships will outdamage their predecessors. (not sure if its true for SS5s, but I think it is).
Losses
1- Rate of fire: As shocking as this may seem to some of you, in general, the rate of fire of guns increases from tier to tier. True for SS5s.
While it is true that every BB is superior to its previous tier, it is not so on every single measurable attribute. As you can see above, SS5s roughly follow the same principles BBs do. Sadly this seems to be the first tier of subs that has been somewhat balanced, since before you would get a ship that was overwhelmingly superior to the one before it. Now if somehow it is your opinion that SS5s are inferior to SS4s and that this post proves your point, just stop for a second and think... are SS5s really that bad, or were the SS4s really so retardedly overpowered?
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