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Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
03. 30. 2012 17:20
MukMuk
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Pretty awkward
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 08:05
Carrotdood
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by Carrotdood
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Correction: the one who started colonies was British, the one who took that land by force and conquering was the british, argentina replied back by force by sending special forces in the invasion. I think if Simon Bolivar knew about it and didnt die in 1830 , the british wouldnt be colonising this island. PS. im not argentinian. But i support them.
Hey... That doesn't make any sense. If Bolivar hadn't died in Santa Marta in 1830, he would've fought to keep the "Gran Colombia" running. He didn't have anything to do with the problems Argentina had, so please keep him out of this.
Im venezuelan dude, bolivar view was to keep our countries free of colonies, neither spain, great britains should have our lands as colonies. Bolivar he didnt have to do anything, but if he was alive, he would of hear of the FIRST malvinas people to be freed of the invaders, the BRITISH. Bolivar would have free them as well. and at this point, if he done that, Malvina or foklands wouldnt belong neither to UK or Argentina, but a free sovereing nation or sovereing island, bolivar had the resources to get that done easily. Once again, Bolivar view was FREEDOM and not nations kept as colonies. and hey you said Gran colombia was between venezuela, colombia , ecuador and panama. but then, if we are falling in thoses termns, then bolivar had nothing to do with peru and bolivia, but he gave them freedom from the conquistadores, he would of have the same thing for folkland islands.
Hah. I know what the Gran Colombia consisted of. And it was falling appart. You guys and Ecuador were leaving. You know the southern countries had their own great hero, right? So don't bull**** me. Argentina had no interest at all over the islands. The first attempt to take them back was merely a distraction. The economy was doing like crap, and the people weren't happy, so they decided to bolster the national pride and "take back" the Falklands. They did like ****, of course. And now, there's oil involved. Of course the Argentinians want them "back".
And, I don't think the Brist view the Flaklands as a colony... The Falklands depend on the UK to a certain extent, given the islands aren't the most fertile place in the world and it's pretty far away from the centers of production. But that doesn't mean they are being treated as a colony.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 08:16
Pelgerean
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And, I don't think the Brist view the Flaklands as a colony... The Falklands depend on the UK to a certain extent, given the islands aren't the most fertile place in the world and it's pretty far away from the centers of production. But that doesn't mean they are being treated as a colony.
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Exactly, i couldn't give a rat's ass about a damp collection of islands in the middle of the South Atlantic.
But i do care alot about people right to be free! The UK dosn't gain anything by possesing the Falklands, infact it's the other way round, but whilst people want to be British and free from oppression we should defend there right to do so. http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16200173
Just goes to show that when Oil was discovered on the islands, the UK said they would not profit from it at all (http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16201106) whilst the Argentinians just want to take it.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 12:57
MukMuk
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Originally Posted by PepeLeBou
Originally Posted by MrClueLess
Just to let you know Humberto.
The Falklands were colonised by the Brits before the Rep. of Argentina even existed.
The Falklands have never been an Argentinian 'territory.'
Just because it is geologically close, does not give them any right to it... that's like Britain saying, well...France is next door to us so it must be part of our territory. Makes absolutely no sense.
Stop spouting rubbish.
You obviously are ignorant of history or study history books with bad intentions.
The British invaded the islands in 1833, casting the governor of the islands Vernet and its residents, replacing its people with english settlers.
Like it or not, the islands are Argentine and eventually return them to us, as they did with Hong Kong, and also return the other 9 colonies around the world have, history has shown that no empire lasts 1000 years.
Bye.
Hong Kong is different. China had a treaty with the British. They were obliged to hand it back. I bet very many Hong Kongers would still swear allegiance to HM The Queen if they had a chance to be back with the British. But whatever, Hong Kong should be part of China. Oh and reality check, Spain isn't getting back Gibraltar.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 13:56
Sindher
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It's all part of a master plan.
We have these overseas terrotories so we can quickly invade neighbouring countries to re-establish the British Empire.
CONSPIRACY.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 18:22
MrClueLess
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Originally Posted by PepeLeBou
Originally Posted by MrClueLess
Just to let you know Humberto.
The Falklands were colonised by the Brits before the Rep. of Argentina even existed.
The Falklands have never been an Argentinian 'territory.'
Just because it is geologically close, does not give them any right to it... that's like Britain saying, well...France is next door to us so it must be part of our territory. Makes absolutely no sense.
Stop spouting rubbish.
You obviously are ignorant of history or study history books with bad intentions.
The British invaded the islands in 1833, casting the governor of the islands Vernet and its residents, replacing its people with english settlers.
Like it or not, the islands are Argentine and eventually return them to us, as they did with Hong Kong, and also return the other 9 colonies around the world have, history has shown that no empire lasts 1000 years.
Bye.
No. No. Don't you come in here, tell me I am ignorant, and then just talk complete rubbish. The islands were uninhabited before Europeans arrived. Uninhabited. France and Britain both arrived in the mid 18th century and set up colonies. Then the Spanish invaded a little later and ruled for a while until they left for other reasons. THIS is when the UNITED PROVINCES sort of arrived. A boat with some lousy captain decided to claim the island for the United Provinces. This is apparently some sort of predecessor to Argentina. This is where your Vernet arrives. He was basically an asshole and terrible guy. He was never governer as you put, just some sort of commandant. He was smart enough to try and capture American ships, so they smashed his settlement. He was a terrible leader and the Brits actually just retook control with no force needed. The Republic of Argentina was not established until 20 years later. So. As you can see, the islands never belonged to Argentina. They were ruled (enslaved) by an idiot from a sort of nation that eventually became Argentina for a few years, AFTER the colonisation of three other countries. They were never Argentinian, and wish to remain British. Read up before you insult someone who wrote a paper on the Falklands. GG.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 18:32
MukMuk
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Originally Posted by MrClueLess
Originally Posted by PepeLeBou
Originally Posted by MrClueLess
Just to let you know Humberto.
The Falklands were colonised by the Brits before the Rep. of Argentina even existed.
The Falklands have never been an Argentinian 'territory.'
Just because it is geologically close, does not give them any right to it... that's like Britain saying, well...France is next door to us so it must be part of our territory. Makes absolutely no sense.
Stop spouting rubbish.
You obviously are ignorant of history or study history books with bad intentions.
The British invaded the islands in 1833, casting the governor of the islands Vernet and its residents, replacing its people with english settlers.
Like it or not, the islands are Argentine and eventually return them to us, as they did with Hong Kong, and also return the other 9 colonies around the world have, history has shown that no empire lasts 1000 years.
Bye.
No. No. Don't you come in here, tell me I am ignorant, and then just talk complete rubbish. The islands were uninhabited before Europeans arrived. Uninhabited. France and Britain both arrived in the mid 18th century and set up colonies. Then the Spanish invaded a little later and ruled for a while until they left for other reasons. THIS is when the UNITED PROVINCES sort of arrived. A boat with some lousy captain decided to claim the island for the United Provinces. This is apparently some sort of predecessor to Argentina. This is where your Vernet arrives. He was basically an asshole and terrible guy. He was never governer as you put, just some sort of commandant. He was smart enough to try and capture American ships, so they smashed his settlement. He was a terrible leader and the Brits actually just retook control with no force needed. The Republic of Argentina was not established until 20 years later. So. As you can see, the islands never belonged to Argentina. They were ruled (enslaved) by an idiot from a sort of nation that eventually became Argentina for a few years, AFTER the colonisation of three other countries. They were never Argentinian, and wish to remain British. Read up before you insult someone who wrote a paper on the Falklands. GG.
Burn...
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 03. 2012 21:24
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by Carrotdood
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by Carrotdood
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Correction: the one who started colonies was British, the one who took that land by force and conquering was the british, argentina replied back by force by sending special forces in the invasion. I think if Simon Bolivar knew about it and didnt die in 1830 , the british wouldnt be colonising this island. PS. im not argentinian. But i support them.
Hey... That doesn't make any sense. If Bolivar hadn't died in Santa Marta in 1830, he would've fought to keep the "Gran Colombia" running. He didn't have anything to do with the problems Argentina had, so please keep him out of this.
Im venezuelan dude, bolivar view was to keep our countries free of colonies, neither spain, great britains should have our lands as colonies. Bolivar he didnt have to do anything, but if he was alive, he would of hear of the FIRST malvinas people to be freed of the invaders, the BRITISH. Bolivar would have free them as well. and at this point, if he done that, Malvina or foklands wouldnt belong neither to UK or Argentina, but a free sovereing nation or sovereing island, bolivar had the resources to get that done easily. Once again, Bolivar view was FREEDOM and not nations kept as colonies. and hey you said Gran colombia was between venezuela, colombia , ecuador and panama. but then, if we are falling in thoses termns, then bolivar had nothing to do with peru and bolivia, but he gave them freedom from the conquistadores, he would of have the same thing for folkland islands.
Hah. I know what the Gran Colombia consisted of. And it was falling appart. You guys and Ecuador were leaving. You know the southern countries had their own great hero, right? So don't bull**** me. Argentina had no interest at all over the islands. The first attempt to take them back was merely a distraction. The economy was doing like crap, and the people weren't happy, so they decided to bolster the national pride and "take back" the Falklands. They did like ****, of course. And now, there's oil involved. Of course the Argentinians want them "back".
And, I don't think the Brist view the Flaklands as a colony... The Falklands depend on the UK to a certain extent, given the islands aren't the most fertile place in the world and it's pretty far away from the centers of production. But that doesn't mean they are being treated as a colony.
They see it as colony!! a place with oil, they will never give it up! that oil helps them for military purposes! remember its a country that has been in many wars for ages!!!and decades, i doubt they will stop that anytime soon. A prince that threatens argentina, look to me defending their colony, not really care about thoses people. dont confuse people with polticians, we the people didnt ask for breakup, dont bull me with that, and yes, the southern countries had their own hero but that doesnt mean they wouldnt accept help from another libertador who fought against the spanish empire.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 04. 2012 03:27
aide4
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what is so wrong about just asking the people of the island what they want.... like honestly.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 04. 2012 03:33
Pelgerean
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Originally Posted by aide4
what is so wrong about just asking the people of the island what they want.... like honestly.
They've done this on multiply occasions bud, the Argentinian's just didn't like the answer so threaten to attack.
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Re : Falklands/Malvinas To A New Level
04. 04. 2012 03:34
Pelgerean
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They see it as colony!! a place with oil, they will never give it up! that oil helps them for military purposes! remember its a country that has been in many wars for ages!!!and decades, i doubt they will stop that anytime soon. A prince that threatens argentina, look to me defending their colony, not really care about thoses people.
dont confuse people with polticians, we the people didnt ask for breakup, dont bull me with that, and yes, the southern countries had their own hero but that doesnt mean they wouldnt accept help from another libertador who fought against the spanish empire.
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Oil dosn't even come into if in the UK. In the 1980's they didn't even know there was oil there and they still went to war to protect the right's of thier citizen's and will do the same again now.
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