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SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 25. 2011 02:26
bluesaint
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i sent my tickets down there.... Pointing out every BB6 speed and asking why SN BB6 has 35knt max speed.
The answer was balance.
please explain me sn bb6 speed mx 35 how this balance? i'm sorry but not balance..... please fix it...
note: sn bb6 range = neby range same...
i have 4 bb6...
*Edited: Private Communication is not to be shown on the forums - Ny*
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:04
Papir0
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The test server is not the best place to see how the ships operate, real game situations do not occur. To know what a ship can do well and what does not, have to use it in the game, and that's the problem, many people who think like you have to balance the ships, did not even have used them.
Before the patch:
SN boats were the slowest, with good range. firepower in the average, turn force below average, and the best submergence (I prefer to call it tougness), only slightly more than the MN, In my opinion, a pretty balanced general characteristics.
Forget the IM, which itself was a bit much (although I played very little with it, I liked more the PBB, I do not like slow boats) The BB4 only needed to cut a bit range of 12" guns to do not overrange H39, BB5 and BB6 were pretty well balanced, with its advantages and disadvantages
After the patch:
SN ships are even slower (except BB4), range meaningless (very good and very bad), firepower below the average turning force below average, and most importantly and what no one speaks, toughness or submergence below average. In my opinion, some general characteristics rather poorly balanced.
The range of BB4 is now like a Montana or the Soyuz, and runs easily at 40 knots (before the patch he had range of Iowa, and with full crew ran to 39 knots, and said it was overpowered lol) Now really is an amazing BB4.
Moreover, the BB5 110" runs 37 knots, has a poor range (only equals Montana) is softer (poor submergence), has a worse turning force and firepower. It sucks. The BB6 is slower, softer, bad turning force, poor firepower, and only has decent range, as Neby. It also sucks. It's just a static target.
Things must be done in other way. Everything was better before. It was enough to make a little softer the IM and cut the range of the 12" BB4 guns
Note: I have all lines, I do not really matter which line has the best ships, but it is unfair that a nation is clearly the worst (except BB4)
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:11
leorin
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Originally Posted by Gtdawg
When you don't take advantage of the multiple opportunities to discuss balance in the proper threads, don't get upset when your ships are altered in ways you aren't aware of and don't approve of.
You are given chance after chance to be involved.
Doors are closed, you're too late. Stay outside from now... Maybe it has no value for you - anyhow you are a player like him - but feedbacks are kinda luck for a company (no matter where it comes from ticket, forum, in game msgs, comments on other sites etc.) Much better than a unsatisfied user uninstall application completely (at least for my company) maybe we should ask why this population is so limited (3k-4k active users maybe?) SDE gives this responsibility to other users and they sometimes refuse these feedbacks like my first sentence : "where were you noob when the doors were open?" He doesnt loose customer by giving this answer but also taste a pleasure being kinda false authority. my last words; this topic whether in this forum section or in your test forums, website, testserver what ever it is; before or after happened; from a casual forum user or forum veteran, shouldnt be refused.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:20
Gtdawg
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Originally Posted by Papir0
The test server is not the best place to see how the ships operate, real game situations do not occur. To know what a ship can do well and what does not, have to use it in the game, and that's the problem, many people who think like you have to balance the ships, did not even have used them.
Just think how awesome it would be if people showed up to scheduled testing events!! Putting things on the real server is not a reasonable testing platform if only because there is no knowledge of when things would be changed. You can't just put something on the real servers and "see how it works". That's ridiculous. As for using the ships, I used them on both servers many times during this balance process.
Originally Posted by Papir0
After the patch:
SN ships are even slower (except BB4), range meaningless (very good and very bad), firepower below the average turning force below average, and most importantly and what no one speaks, toughness or submergence below average. In my opinion, some general characteristics rather poorly balanced.
The range of BB4 is now like a Montana or the Soyuz, and runs easily at 40 knots (before the patch he had range of Iowa, and with full crew ran to 39 knots, and said it was overpowered lol) Now really is an amazing BB4.
Moreover, the BB5 110" runs 37 knots, has a poor range (only equals Montana) is softer (poor submergence), has a worse turning force and firepower. It sucks. The BB6 is slower, softer, bad turning force, poor firepower, and only has decent range, as Neby. It also sucks. It's just a static target.
Things must be done in other way. Everything was better before. It was enough to make a little softer the IM and cut the range of the 12" BB4 guns
The BB4 is supposed to have less than H39 range. That was, I believe, what was discussed and agreed upon. The BB5 guns were intentionally nerfed because every nation's 110 guns are unusable. The level 100 guns were meant to be the used guns on the ship and, with that in mind, they are supposed to have range above L2 and below H44. Again, I believe that was the discussed and agreed upon change. Pointing at the testing forum as at fault for that is slightly misguided.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:24
Gtdawg
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Originally Posted by leorin
Doors are closed, you're too late. Stay outside from now...
Maybe it has no value for you - anyhow you are a player like him - but feedbacks are kinda luck for a company (no matter where it comes from ticket, forum, in game msgs, comments on other sites etc.) Much better than a unsatisfied user uninstall application completely (at least for my company)
maybe we should ask why this population is so limited (3k-4k active users maybe?) SDE gives this responsibility to other users and they sometimes refuse these feedbacks like my first sentence : "where were you noob when the doors were open?" He doesnt loose customer by giving this answer but also taste a pleasure being kinda false authority.
my last words; this topic whether in this forum section or in your test forums, website, testserver what ever it is; before or after happened; from a casual forum user or forum veteran, shouldnt be refused.
The population isn't limited. Nobody is refusing your feedback. People are telling you that you have a BETTER chance of getting your ideas heard and implemented if you show up for tests and discuss things in the designed forum. There are two members of TNF that spend, nearly, all day reading and posting in the test forum section. And, multiple times in this thread, half a dozen people have said that, if you want your ideas heard, you should post there. Nobody is attempting to silence your ideas or refuse your points. If you want to continue posting in the general forums where it is nothing more than a whine thread and not take part in tests or forum discussions, then that's fine with me. I just think it is stupid when you are given a golden opportunity to be involved, but you refuse to take the opportunity. Instead, you wish to throw stones without getting involved.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:44
leorin
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Originally Posted by Gtdawg
The population isn't limited. Nobody is refusing your feedback. People are telling you that you have a BETTER chance of getting your ideas heard and implemented if you show up for tests and discuss things in the designed forum.
There are two members of TNF that spend, nearly, all day reading and posting in the test forum section.
And, multiple times in this thread, half a dozen people have said that, if you want your ideas heard, you should post there.
Nobody is attempting to silence your ideas or refuse your points.
If you want to continue posting in the general forums where it is nothing more than a whine thread and not take part in tests or forum discussions, then that's fine with me. I just think it is stupid when you are given a golden opportunity to be involved, but you refuse to take the opportunity. Instead, you wish to throw stones without getting involved.
That should be what you are trying to say as "People are telling you that you have a BETTER chance of getting your ideas" (2nd reply in this thread) Have you introduced yourself to the Test Server Discussion Forum yet? Do you know where it is located? Do you know how to interact and ask the questions you may have? =.= in what a mood, that guy telling better way to this thread author by using these kind of questions? a teacher, or a mother?, forum authority ? girlfriend? or is it kind a interrogate? is it your helper forum community to causals? population isnt limited i aggree. in many threads you can find such a reply to author from same forum guys. (most occured one: km weak? haha go and learn how to play you noob! You dont know km style .... true or false i dont try to discuss it just giving example which i seen many times) And i m sure even if i say 2+2 = 4 youll tell me: No youre wrong...
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 07:47
Gtdawg
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I really don't understand what your point is anymore. Countless people have provided the avenue to get your opinions heard and, instead of taking advantage, you are admonishing them for telling you that this thread is no good.
Continue to post here if you want. I'm going to stop reading this thread and go get some breakfast.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 08:21
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by leorin
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by leorin
Your replies are something like a shell which comes from 2x4 bb guns that lvl70 8/8 gunners not BVE fires it.
1 hits the target rest are the just waste
Maybe nf glossary helps you to understand the point...
So basically you are just going to ignore my points and insult me? GG You say you read General Discussion, yet you ignore the requests on here for official test server tests and don't partake in the test server forum. Then you complain about balance? Without even having all the facts or realising what the intended balance is?
First, find my one complaint about balance here to say that... I just copy-paste again: For this subject, tell him nebraska range =/= snbb6 range. SN also have good armour penet. better dps so speed is decent etc.. or if you think he is right , move these concerns to your test forum wherever it is. Instead of insult ppl such replies ; -You are totally wrong -Have you participate in test servers? -Do you know where test server is? -Oh What a noob topic etc... So, dont you think its one more waste shell missed the target again?
Feel free to point out where I have said "What a noob topic". And how is saying someone is wrong an insult, when they are wrong? I have said what SN is, I have said to post on the test server forum. I guess you haven't read my posts.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 08:29
leorin
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"Uh oh, i dont understand your point". I dont know how can i explain more clear
- He wants to open a thread about his concerns just here.
- He just wants the SDE to fix the problem. (not players)
- He wants to hear advices or other ppls idea (in proper way)
And
-He doesnt want forum ******************* here which is:
Appear in a thread that author is not so familiar and is not your friend, insult him, make the thread dirty , and leave it.
simple enough
*Edited for Language - Ny*
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 08:29
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Papir0
The test server is not the best place to see how the ships operate, real game situations do not occur. To know what a ship can do well and what does not, have to use it in the game, and that's the problem, many people who think like you have to balance the ships, did not even have used them.
Before the patch:
SN boats were the slowest, with good range. firepower in the average, turn force below average, and the best submergence (I prefer to call it tougness), only slightly more than the MN, In my opinion, a pretty balanced general characteristics.
Forget the IM, which itself was a bit much (although I played very little with it, I liked more the PBB, I do not like slow boats) The BB4 only needed to cut a bit range of 12" guns to do not overrange H39, BB5 and BB6 were pretty well balanced, with its advantages and disadvantages
The IM was more than a bit much... And the 12" guns had WAY too much armour penetration for a 12" gun. The 16" guns were the designated set, and the changes were put in before they were finished/or SDE messed up. The 16" were meant to be between Yamato and H39 range, with damage just below Yamato.
Originally Posted by Papir0
After the patch:
SN ships are even slower (except BB4), range meaningless (very good and very bad), firepower below the average turning force below average, and most importantly and what no one speaks, toughness or submergence below average. In my opinion, some general characteristics rather poorly balanced.
Range wasn't intentionally touched with the BB123. Submergence is at average (close to US; Submergence goes UK>US>SN>MN>KM>IJN). Please point out which ones aren't average. Furthermore, ship speeds weren't intentionally changed, it was due to the way submergence worked out. Again, this was alot due to the lack of work that was done before I came back (with 1 week left). I did as much as I could in that week. If I had more people with me testing, then we would have got speed/range sorted.
Originally Posted by Papir0
The range of BB4 is now like a Montana or the Soyuz, and runs easily at 40 knots (before the patch he had range of Iowa, and with full crew ran to 39 knots, and said it was overpowered lol) Now really is an amazing BB4.
And where was it said in the test server forum that it was intended to be like that. Again, this seems to be personal vendetta's.
Originally Posted by Papir0
Moreover, the BB5 110" runs 37 knots, has a poor range (only equals Montana) is softer (poor submergence), has a worse turning force and firepower. It sucks. The BB6 is slower, softer, bad turning force, poor firepower, and only has decent range, as Neby. It also sucks. It's just a static target.
Again, where was it said the 100 guns was meant to equal montana? And the firepower is meant to be at average for the BB5 100's. According to tests, that is correct. SN is meant to be slower and have worse turning. The BB6 is meant to outrange Nebby, and has the same salvo damage as Nebby and QV and Kaiser. Again, you haven't been reading the posts on this thread.
Originally Posted by Papir0
Things must be done in other way. Everything was better before. It was enough to make a little softer the IM and cut the range of the 12" BB4 guns
I know you want your overpowered BB5 with 110 guns back, but that isn't happening. No significant changes were made to the BB6. The BB4 and BB5 gun ranges weren't put in as intended, and will be fixed.
Originally Posted by Papir0
Note: I have all lines, I do not really matter which line has the best ships, but it is unfair that a nation is clearly the worst (except BB4)
I wouldn't say they are clearly the worst, but I wouldn't say they are balanced either. I think you should read the test server forums and stop causing drama, yet again.
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Re : SN BB6 SPEED!!!!
07. 26. 2011 08:30
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by leorin
"Uh oh, i dont understand your point". I dont know how can i explain more clear
- He wants to open a thread about his concerns just here.
- He just wants the SDE to fix the problem. (not players)
- He wants to hear advices or other ppls idea (in proper way)
And
-He doesnt want forum **************************** here which is:
Appear in a thread that author is not so familiar and is not your friend, insult him, make the thread dirty , and leave it.
simple enough
You complain about insults which haven't happened, then insult other people asking you to post in the correct topic for it? GG I understand your point. However, your point is incorrect. If you want SDE to balance things, enjoy things like MN were on release. I know you want your overpowered IM back, but you aren't getting it back.
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