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  • Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 21. 2011 06:07


cello1
The SN fleet was adveratised as a fleet with range ... the patch has just removed that making it a complete waste of time.
Basicly it has been a scam over the past 6 mounths to get ppl to buy into a fleet that was going nowhere !  The guns now at the Stalin lvl
are so nerfed thay are a joke ... befor the lvl89 12" guns had more range than the lvl 91 16" so why didnt you just revers the 2 giving the 16" @ lvl 91 the 12" range & backed off the 12" @lvl 89 to the 16" range.
Obviously this was to simple for SDE to comprehend ... now it seems the whole fleet is under ranged ... I m getting out ranged by  RN Lion 1 same BB4 lvl which is sup to be the lowest range due to the big armor.
This is not a balance its a farce .... & still the SS's run around with overpowered percution damage unnerfed  .. what a joke  ( If it works dont fix it { the SS dont work in balance } .. Just save your money DONT go SN & buy any
of the premiums they are a waste of a grind to get to ships that are a waste of time !!!!!!

 

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:03


James_4669
Why the whinning, you must have had the imperalista, so they balance it and everyone who had one cry's

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:06


bluesaint
Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by bluesaint

sn bb6 max speed: 35 (WHAT IS THIS?) (JOKE?!)

the last patch was a terrible bad result for sn...


NERF MN BB6....


SN BB6 speed was not changed. The MN BB6 has far less range and little armour penetration. Furthermore, it has the least DP/Survivability, and the biggest hitbox.




before the patch sn bb6 speed 35 with aaw (anti-aircraft) 37 without aaw (anti-aircraft)

after patch sn bb6 speed 35 with aaw (anti-aircraft) 35 without aaw (anti-aircraft) I don't want to use aaw

so how the same? 35 < 37

last patch sn bb6 nerf ---- mn bb6 buff (speed and armor)

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:08


SylverXI
If you put estrelle in a H44 or L2, wouldn't the result be the same?

Like I said, what can be done with the SN BB5 can also be done with the other BB5 as well. In BB rooms, the BB5 isn't that bad, but the way it is now, it pretty broken in every expect. So people have the right to complain if things didn't turn out right.

Give it the range back at-least in the lvl 100 triple 16" guns.

Who has more right to complain at McDonalds?
The costumers, the employees or the volunteers?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.

I also want balance in all nations and I believe all nations should have some edge in some situations. It's impossible to truly have balance unless the stats themselves adapt to specific situations. It's inevitable to have a ship slightly overpowered relative to another in specific situations.

When it come to stoping a rush, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to line battling, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to AA, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to rushing, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to killing armored ships, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to putting armor, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to fighting SS, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to dodging bombers, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
I could go on and on. etc.

All these questions should have different answers or 1 ship shouldn't be in the majority of these questions.

PS. The IM is still pretty good, so no complains about the IM.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:12


ljsevern
Originally Posted by bluesaint

Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by bluesaint

sn bb6 max speed: 35 (WHAT IS THIS?) (JOKE?!)

the last patch was a terrible bad result for sn...


NERF MN BB6....


SN BB6 speed was not changed. The MN BB6 has far less range and little armour penetration. Furthermore, it has the least DP/Survivability, and the biggest hitbox.




before the patch sn bb6 speed 35 with aaw (anti-aircraft) 37 without aaw (anti-aircraft)

after patch sn bb6 speed 35 with aaw (anti-aircraft) 35 without aaw (anti-aircraft) I don't want to use aaw

so how the same? 35 < 37

last patch sn bb6 nerf ---- mn bb6 buff (speed and armor)


Some displacement was added to prevent people going 37 with the 110 guns. The SN BB5 is meant to go 37 with the 100's, and 35 with the 110's.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:20


ljsevern
Originally Posted by SylverXI

If you put estrelle in a H44 or L2, wouldn't the result be the same?


Yes, because it is possible in those ships; But Estrelle did it against good players, so it shows that the ship isn't as bad as some people are making out.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

Like I said, what can be done with the SN BB5 can also be done with the other BB5 as well. In BB rooms, the BB5 isn't that bad, but the way it is now, it pretty broken in every expect. So people have the right to complain if things didn't turn out right.

Give it the range back at-least in the lvl 100 triple 16" guns.


The 110 range is pretty broke, it was not intended to be like that. We asked for the 110 and 100 gun ranges to be swapped, then the 110's range nerfed to Montana.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

Who has more right to complain at McDonalds?
The costumers, the employees or the volunteers?
I think the answer is pretty obvious.


What you are missing in this case is, that I am a customer too. Are you saying that I have less right to complain than you? Or more because I am helping and doing stuff. We need people to turn up to the battle tests; We can't test in large rooms otherwise.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

I also want balance in all nations and I believe all nations should have some edge in some situations. It's impossible to truly have balance unless the stats themselves adapt to specific situations. It's inevitable to have a ship slightly overpowered relative to another in specific situations.

When it come to stoping a rush, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to line battling, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to AA, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to rushing, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to killing armored ships, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to putting armor, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to fighting SS, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
When it comes to dodging bombers, which ships are more overpowered and which are underpowered?
I could go on and on. etc.

All these questions should have different answers or 1 ship shouldn't be in the majority of these questions.

PS. The IM is still pretty good, so no complains


Its not overpowered if they are good at one thing and not another. You can't just say that one thing is overpowered unless it has no drawbacks. I'm guessing you are using those words as English is a second language, but I agree with the point you are making; If a ship is bad at all/most of those, then yes, its underpowered. If a ship is good at all/most of those, then yes it is overpowered. There are also so many aspects that you haven't mentioned too :P

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 02:50


SylverXI
Yeah, replace the words underpowered and overpowered with BAD and GOOD and I'm not gonna mention all of them. -.-"

The SN BB5 is boring in GB, that's what I was saying. It also has a couple of weaknesses I will not discuss that are easy to counter if played against with certain ships. Also, the SN BB5 was overpowered for BB rooms because of it's high submergence, not necessarily the guns.

Montana range would give you a slower, less maneuverable Montana with less firepower, so no thank you. That's just a poor man's Montana like you would to call it. You would be making yet another broken level 110 gun, that violates the SN's national trait of good range.

The BB5 with quads had L2 range(tested vs L2 pre-patch) in which the L2 ended killing it and the SN BB5 leaving the L2 in orange because the L2 ended up hitting with around 60-70% shells and the Sovetsky Soyuz with maybe 45-55%.

So when it comes to line-battling I would rate the L2 higher because of it's 40 degrees guns VS 45 degrees guns. So no, the SN BB5 wasn't that great but is still pretty awesome for BB rooms.

Remember, that it's now as fragile as a H44 and SY making it easy food for a certain ship even if the guns where left unchanged. In GB on the other hand, it wasn't overpowered but well balanced, because you tend to be more blind and have no coordination between players.

In that BB5 event that I couldn't even play for example AH-1 team we used a team composed of 3 Montana and 3 Alsace(bad turnout), and got owned by H44's, L2's and even SY, because range is more important then firepower in those rooms. That doesn't mean H44 is overpowered. That just happen to be the ship's best aspect in the game.

I have tried at-least 5 times to be in those testing sessions but I either find myself asleep during those sessions, or come late and find myself in a deserted server. You have the same rights as everybody as a costumer, but not more. That's the point am making. Everybody have equally the same amount of rights to when it comes to complaining.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 03:22


chivalry1978
you know lj your very full of yourself...and thats not a compliment.

People are entitled to an opinion and yours is not the only one that matters. Furthermore in a previous post you even stated you were not part of this balance for a good part of it due to other issues and in your life, so you trolling around acting as an expert on this seems to be a farce to those who actually did the testing....

and finally your correct it was not the strass or the dunq, but was in fact the richelieu, which ironically enough almost blew it self up and was torped by the british....

Now back to the issue at hand...the bb4 12 inches need some adjustment....but in all honesty if you go from imp to this you will need to get use to the separation of the front and rear guns for better angled shots.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 03:25


ljsevern
Originally Posted by SylverXI

Yeah, replace the words underpowered and overpowered with BAD and GOOD and I'm not gonna mention all of them. -.-"

The SN BB5 is boring in GB, that's what I was saying. It also has a couple of weaknesses I will not discuss that are easy to counter if played against with certain ships. Also, the SN BB5 was overpowered for BB rooms because of it's high submergence, not necessarily the guns.

Montana range would give you a slower, less maneuverable Montana with less firepower, so no thank you. That's just a poor man's Montana like you would to call it. You would be making yet another broken level 110 gun, that violates the SN's national trait of good range.



It was always a temporary measure until the 110 gun patch.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

The BB5 with quads had L2 range(tested vs L2 pre-patch) in which the L2 ended killing it and the SN BB5 leaving the L2 in orange because the L2 ended up hitting with around 60-70% shells and the Sovetsky Soyuz with maybe 45-55%.


It was tested on the test server to have H44 range, I would post the screenshots but I am at work. It was the trips that was at that range.

So when it comes to line-battling I would rate the L2 higher because of it's 40 degrees guns VS 45 degrees guns. So no, the SN BB5 wasn't that great but is still pretty awesome for BB rooms.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

Remember, that it's now as fragile as a H44 and SY making it easy food for a certain ship even if the guns where left unchanged. In GB on the other hand, it wasn't overpowered but well balanced, because you tend to be more blind and have no coordination between players.


Again, was a temporary measure to bring it in line with the others until the BB5 patch where we look at the submergence values.

Originally Posted by SylverXI

In that BB5 event that I couldn't even play for example AH-1 team we used a team composed of 3 Montana and 3 Alsace(bad turnout), and got owned by H44's, L2's and even SY, because range is more important then firepower in those rooms. That doesn't mean H44 is overpowered. That just happen to be the ship's best aspect in the game.

I have tried at-least 5 times to be in those testing sessions but I either find myself asleep during those sessions, or come late and find myself in a deserted server. You have the same rights as everybody as a costumer, but not more. That's the point am making. Everybody have equally the same amount of rights to when it comes to complaining.


I would disagree there, when someone doesn't bother attending (I'm not saying you haven't), the issue is the large part of the community is happy to sit around doing nothing to help, but will complain when they don't like a patch. The community wanted a fully public program, they should use it; Otherwise, go back to closed paid testers.

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 04:20


SylverXI
Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by SylverXI

The BB5 with quads had L2 range(tested vs L2 pre-patch) in which the L2 ended killing it and the SN BB5 leaving the L2 in orange because the L2 ended up hitting with around 60-70% shells and the Sovetsky Soyuz with maybe 45-55%.


It was tested on the test server to have H44 range, I would post the screenshots but I am at work. It was the trips that was at that range.


Yes, I also tested it on the test server just before the SN patch and made a post for my fleetmates to show it's awesome range. When Finally I got the BB5 on live servers on the other hand I found it weird how Montana's where able to range me that easily and made a range test on the live servers and the thing had Montana range for the trips.

I kept leveling to the quads with stalingrad instead, which weren't that bad and I tested my level 120 L2 VS a fleetmates Level 120 Sovetsky Soyuz and got the results showed above. I recorded the event, and was about to post it, but I got lazy to do so.

I also tested the range of the SN BB6 in a similar way and on the test server it was same as Kaizer, but on the live server, pre-sn/mn patch, it had Nebraska range(don't know now, need to retest).

This could only mean that SDE might have done something wrong while patching the live servers. As far as I know, the lvl110 quads range >> the lvl 100 triples range.

Ask anybody who has the sovetsky soyuz. They might confirm it. If the triples had great range like you said, I wouldn't have been using the the BB4's 12" combined with the quads when they both had L2 range =D

  • Re : Dont bother going SN now !!

    07. 23. 2011 04:50


ljsevern
Yeah, its not like we don't agree with the range, its that somehow its not been applied properly...

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