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Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 01. 2011 17:46
joshmon999
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Anyone know if they messed with the SS4's? Or the torps? I never used to get duds on my MN torps, now almost every one duds, its crazy. Also it feels like they nerfed the air on all the ss4, i have KM, IJN, and MN. Wassupwitdat?
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 01:42
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Humberto20
I ve done that. SS project what? a person in charge of that who hates Sub. Wow, what can we expect from that, a total obsolete nerf? dude, deal with it...it look you make drama for everything, i cant imagine you, as a leader of one country, making complaints, that country B has an overpowered Armed forces, and for that, you make a call, for total disarm.Im not making justification, im just defending, what i ve invested, my money and my time. Im talking to you right now as AN ANGRY COSTUMER.
I hate overpowered content. I have 5 SS4's. Why on earth would I nerf them to be underpowered? Furthermore, I am not in charge, Mailman is, with the full support of SDE. I'm talking to you right now as an ANGRY CUSTOMER; Having spent lots of money on the game on all my other BB and CV crews, to have crews with 1/10th of the exp dominate the game. Maybe you should play a ship class other than SS and broaden your mind a bit. You need to play all ship classes and nations to get the bigger picture.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 01:49
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by Humberto20
I ve done that. SS project what? a person in charge of that who hates Sub. Wow, what can we expect from that, a total obsolete nerf? dude, deal with it...it look you make drama for everything, i cant imagine you, as a leader of one country, making complaints, that country B has an overpowered Armed forces, and for that, you make a call, for total disarm.Im not making justification, im just defending, what i ve invested, my money and my time. Im talking to you right now as AN ANGRY COSTUMER.
I hate overpowered content. I have 5 SS4's. Why on earth would I nerf them to be underpowered? Furthermore, I am not in charge, Mailman is, with the full support of SDE. I'm talking to you right now as an ANGRY CUSTOMER; Having spent lots of money on the game on all my other BB and CV crews, to have crews with 1/10th of the exp dominate the game. Maybe you should play a ship class other than SS and broaden your mind a bit. You need to play all ship classes and nations to get the bigger picture.
You dont get it, do you? Which part of my posts, dont you see? BB/CV's are not my speciality, SS's is my job. I ve spent, too much, dedicating my time, my Money, to get my crew into decent levels, BVE, and for what? A group of BB/CVs fans, that refuse too accept, the new challenge introduced into navyfield, as a strong war machine, since nf is not real life, ss deserves to have fictional features too. To add my first sentence; i ve played before CV/BB/CA/CL/DD/FF, as you said , you remembered me playing BB's, even after SS'1 were released.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 02:34
Vawlkus
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You're wasting your time Humbert. LJ hates subs and will hear/read nothing you write about them.
Yeah you have 5 LJ. How often do you USE THEM anymore? You'll find them a LOT different now as opposed to what they once were: marginally useful rather than useless with the current nerfs.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 02:46
heatrr
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Subs will be balanced just as most everything else in this game that has been looked at, balanced, and/or nerfed.
Until they are, leave PHH as they are since they are currently the best tool for performing exorcism on most sub drivers....
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 02:53
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by Vawlkus
You're wasting your time Humbert. LJ hates subs and will hear/read nothing you write about them.
Yeah you have 5 LJ. How often do you USE THEM anymore? You'll find them a LOT different now as opposed to what they once were: marginally useful rather than useless with the current nerfs.
Oh i know that.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 03:32
zanon
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by Humberto20
Originally Posted by Rehor
Two points:
Only because you have become reliant on overpowered and unbalanced content do you say this.
And if you truly have concern over this, come to either of the large discussion areas and produce your own opinions in the proper setting. Bring facts and evidence too, and we shall see how reasonable you truly are.
Of course, i do have concerns for all my time and money invested in the submarines i have. People ask me, why i play all the time with submarines, i respond now:"Submarines, its the only ship class i really like, submarine driver its my carreer in NF, why i dont play bb/cv? i just dont get use to them, i find them boring and lack of interest. Happy now? 1st- Submarines are machine to attack for long range, which is obvious. ASW's are responsible to keep defense and protect Battleships and CVs from underwater enemy forces, just because your defense fails, will you classify it as overpowered? if the person using the submarine, knows what he or she is doing, will you call it overpowered? if he doesnt know how to use it, will you call it, noob? No, Rehor. about the money its A FACT and i do have evidence that there is people, have spent alot of money in their submarines, not just in one, but more than that. Lets see the difference , between ASW vs SS. SS: Strong torpedoes Fast Quick response to HH Limited air limited torpedoes ASW PHH= fast reload Range fast reload time Speed STRONG PHH, capable of killing BB's( and nobody complaints about this ) LONG sonar range NERF HISTORY in submarines: -Speed cap has been nerfed -ability to take damage has been decreased. -Auto miss chance has been increased, dont know how many times, but there was. -uflak gunners damaged has been decreased. this is some of the nerf, now tell me, why more nerf? SUBMARINE CONS: limited displacement we cant take the guns out, as you bb can do. vulnerable to FF/DD/CL/CV cant see mines critical dive damage its too high. why, would you make BB's the only super power machine?
I have 5 SS4's. Your point is wrong. Furthermore, the highest level sub is 77, taking 4.5million exp. The highest level BB is 120, and those SS4's compete with them. To get to 120, thats 45m Exp. That is why high level ships should be a super power machine. And just because people have been stupid and got 300 vets on their crews when caps exist (or should exist) like yourself, doesn't mean you should autowin. I remember when you used to play BB. Lets just say, I would rather have prideeda. Glad you found an alternative easy mode.
Easy Mode? Are you Serious? Are you even thinking, what you are posting? Do you have any Idea, how long it takes a submarine to reach level 120? BB's are easy Mode in Leveling, submarines, are not. For you information, i dont Auto win all time, i die alot of times, the time i successed, its due to team mistakes, and lack of defenses, which is different. Let me ask, how much experience you get per BB? the max experience i get, even with 150k+ attack, i only get 25k experience without even, but with premium account. About the level, change the level, and problem solved, but dont nerf them.
Using the experience system being flawed as a justification for a overpowered and broken ship is just stupid. Even SDE agree's, which is why we have been tasked with a SS balance project. Maybe you should play other ship classes than SS to have a more balanced view.
i have other ships and like to play ss .. killing an ss is easier than killing a ff . start with nerfing the hh sounds O_o
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 03:38
DJDeath
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Yes LJ hates subs. How do you guys know that? You just know!
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 04:08
ljsevern
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I do love how it devolves to "LJ hates subs" rather than countering my balance debate with facts and evidence.
GG
Furthermore, I use the Submarines when I want to. Usually every HA, usually sinking BB6's on each run, but no point in levelling them until the levels for the SS5's get released. Even then, I expect i'll have at least one SS5.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 04:37
Sonlirain
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I'm suprised at how narrow mineded some sub players are.
SS4 is REALLY strong at the moment.
Basically it's a boat that can sink a BB6 with no retaliation possible and the BB6s only chance is to survive long enough for the sub to run out of air or hope a ASW ship is nearby... that is rare since ASW offers little rewards and at level DDs FFs are not experienced enough to take on a well run sub.
Take a FF escort and load HH in the T slots?
Sure it will work till the said escort crosses you and you oneshot it ruining YOUR exp.
Those are the OLD reasons why SS need a nerf...
The new one is the fact that... the SS5 are comming and NEED to be BALANCED. Soo... the need to be in line with other shiptrees AND stronger than SS4.
How strong a SS5 should be if a SS4 can sink a BB6 single handedly?
Solution?
Nerw SS4 and make the SS5 take it's place.
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Re : Ninja Patch on SS4?
08. 03. 2011 04:46
Humberto20
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
I do love how it devolves to "LJ hates subs" rather than countering my balance debate with facts and evidence.
GG
Furthermore, I use the Submarines when I want to. Usually every HA, usually sinking BB6's on each run, but no point in levelling them until the levels for the SS5's get released. Even then, I expect i'll have at least one SS5.
Pretty Much its based on your recent suggestion in nerfing more the subs than ASW.
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