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  • gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 29. 2014 14:05


Argentina_10

Defense 2 hours and 2 hours without loguearme to defend my gg puerto_ RA fair play hahaha ... excellent excellent nf !!!!!!

 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 14:42


Hawk010

I also enjoyed Pisko calling people fa*s

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 14:49


kiraniv

Dear SSquadleader,
What kind of RA leaders mistake your are talking about?

- FG interrupted their HA at  Baltiysky just two hours before (HD at London) as they have no chance to win.
- They stoped defence in London after two defeats of their main forces in 15 minutes.
From my point of veiw it was absolutely logically that FG commanders decided to participate in the event rather then to waiste time in hopeless HD.
- They had about 25 active accounts at the time of HD and an option to send RA a message in case something was going wrong. They had more then enough time to login again even if they have crashed (some of our players did so). 
But they kept silence during HD and start screaming and blaming RA after the battle. 
So who is "playing" unfair this time? 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 14:49


osn3179

Originally Posted by painlesskiss

Hello , i think this is a joke? "IMHO.  Only therefore all of you still there are. ))" 

Of course it's more like a joke )), but if the attack was a bit of Hamburg before, then we would have more opportunities to attack the port. In my time zone this 7:00 am, so I'm a priori it does not take part, even if the application is filed. 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 15:10


SSquadleader

Originally Posted by osn3179

Oh LOL! All the same people, the same charges. Nothing has changed, only the names of the fleets... Baltiysk attack occurred just 40 minutes of the possible 2 hours. At this time, the server is operating normally. Application for the attack was removed after a couple of fights in the second cell. The Galega fleet when attacking Baltiysk was no more than 20 ships in the shock group. Only this fact alone did not cause us concern, why you had so little to the defense of London. Stop whining! We also have many of the players could not get into the game. If you are really experienced massive problems with entering the game, you can write to the chat about them, but in the first two cells, you have continued to play and all your ships have been sinking for 1-2 minutes. Write claim SDE and come on weekends to any of the ports on the Baltiysk or the choice of London. BAMF also invite attack the harbor.  Are you at least can be interesting fight in HA/HD. Fleet Galega can only fight on the forum.

I guess you do not understand the meaning of a "fair fight."  As I have pointed out, it was very likely that the UK HA is an easy win for RA.  Your reasoning is that "we also have many of the players could not get into the game" and "when attacking Baltiysk was no more than 20 ships in the shock group . . . only this fact alone did not cause us concern, why you had so little to the defense of London."  This is like in soccer games that you have won easily in the first game and then you play 8 players against 4 players in the next game (both teams cannot get a full team due to circumstances).  Your arguements are: we have won in the first game, so we do not need to play fair.  It will be an expected win, so it does not matter.  Or, we cannot get 11 players because of the same circumstances, so it is fair.  What is your logic on that?  What is the right thing to do?  Let me tell you what is fair in this situation: to cancel the game and postpone it. 

I am not "whining."  I do not belong to the fleet that was holding UK harbor (you are making a wrong assumption here again if your message is directed to me).  I am just stating the obvious that you and your fleet cannot see. 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 15:19


SSquadleader

Originally Posted by kiraniv

Dear SSquadleader,
What kind of RA leaders mistake your are talking about?

- FG interrupted their HA at  Baltiysky just two hours before (HD at London) as they have no chance to win.
- They stoped defence in London after two defeats of their main forces in 15 minutes.
From my point of veiw it was absolutely logically that FG commanders decided to participate in the event rather then to waiste time in hopeless HD.
- They had about 25 active accounts at the time of HD and an option to send RA a message in case something was going wrong. They had more then enough time to login again even if they have crashed (some of our players did so). 
But they kept silence during HD and start screaming and blaming RA after the battle. 
So who is "playing" unfair this time? 

 

Dear kiraniv,

Sorry if I am too harsh in my words earlier.  I can see your points when there is no server login issues at the time.  With server login issues, it is the best to cancel because an assumption is made that the enemy fleet gives up (instead of cannot login) unless you had tried to contact the defending fleet and they confirm your assumption (that "they stoped defence in London after two defeats of their main forces in 15 minutes").  I do not know the whole story--I only get the information piece by piece from unconfirmed sources.  Did you try to contact the defending fleet?  Again, if there is no server outage, I would do the same as you would do.

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 15:30


osn3179

Originally Posted by SSquadleader

I guess you do not understand the meaning of a "fair fight."  As I have pointed out, it was very likely that the UK HA is an easy win for RA.  Your reasoning is that "we also have many of the players could not get into the game" and "when attacking Baltiysk was no more than 20 ships in the shock group . . . only this fact alone did not cause us concern, why you had so little to the defense of London."  This is like in soccer games that you have won easily in the first game and then you play 8 players against 4 players in the next game (both teams cannot get a full team due to circumstances).  Your arguements are: we have won in the first game, so we do not need to play fair.  It will be an expected win, so it does not matter.  Or, we cannot get 11 players because of the same circumstances, so it is fair.  What is your logic on that?  What is the right thing to do?  Let me tell you what is fair in this situation: to cancel the game and postpone it. 

I am not "whining."  I do not belong to the fleet that was holding UK harbor (you are making a wrong assumption here again if your message is directed to me).  I am just stating the obvious that you and your fleet cannot see. 


What kind of honesty are you talking about? How do you understand the term? I understand it like this: you write us a message "guys, we have a problem, we can not log in to the game," we have canceled the attack - it honestly. If we continued to attack - it's not fair. Sorry, I do not have telepathy and can not read minds to know all your problems, if you are silent. So we're not going to take on all the problems SDE, we were on an equal footing, played on the same server at the same time. Besides, you are the first 2 cells defended 15-20 ships. What the hell, what kind of not fair play are you talking???

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 15:46


SSquadleader

Originally Posted by osn3179

Originally Posted by SSquadleader

I guess you do not understand the meaning of a "fair fight."  As I have pointed out, it was very likely that the UK HA is an easy win for RA.  Your reasoning is that "we also have many of the players could not get into the game" and "when attacking Baltiysk was no more than 20 ships in the shock group . . . only this fact alone did not cause us concern, why you had so little to the defense of London."  This is like in soccer games that you have won easily in the first game and then you play 8 players against 4 players in the next game (both teams cannot get a full team due to circumstances).  Your arguements are: we have won in the first game, so we do not need to play fair.  It will be an expected win, so it does not matter.  Or, we cannot get 11 players because of the same circumstances, so it is fair.  What is your logic on that?  What is the right thing to do?  Let me tell you what is fair in this situation: to cancel the game and postpone it. 

I am not "whining."  I do not belong to the fleet that was holding UK harbor (you are making a wrong assumption here again if your message is directed to me).  I am just stating the obvious that you and your fleet cannot see. 


What kind of honesty are you talking about? How do you understand the term? I understand it like this: you write us a message "guys, we have a problem, we can not log in to the game," we have canceled the attack - it honestly. If we continued to attack - it's not fair. Sorry, I do not have telepathy and can not read minds to know all your problems, if you are silent. So we're not going to take on all the problems SDE, we were on an equal footing, played on the same server at the same time. Besides, you are the first 2 cells defended 15-20 ships. What the hell, what kind of not fair play are you talking???

There may be a language barrier--I am not talking about "honesty." You made the assumption that the defending fleet gave up.  Or, your argument is that the other team is expected to lose, so we do not need to give them the chance to fight.   In a server crash like this, give them the benefit of doubt and a fair fight.  What if the defending team leaders cannot login to message you?

In games, if there is an issue with fairness, the logical way to handle is to cancel or postpone.  This will save you a lot of troubles (unless you do not care about the player-base's opinions). 

I have spent too much time in this.  My previous message gave a good example.  The main difference between NF and the example is that you cannot talk with the other team directly like in a soccer game.  I am not spending more time on this and will let the other players to be the judge. 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 15:54


osn3179

Maybe we do not attack harbors and not to defend if the enemy fleet less than 50 people? So it is fair? We have 200 people and we come here to play and have fun. If you think so, then write pritenzii to GM on to change the rules of the game and not to us. A few years ago in the RA was only 35 account and we attacked the harbor and did not know we can capture the harbor or not. We attacked in order to learn how to play and have a good time. RA fleet did not present any claim or any large fleet because of his loss harbors. If the enemy was stronger and more numerous, we always recognized. This for me is "fair game". And do not dilute the drama on the forum due to the fact that you have lost the harbor through the fault of SDE.

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 16:07


Andreyeff

May I sum up the said:
1. FG had low online during both - attack and defense.
2. How many players did you have at defense? (logined+waiting outside the server)
3. If you had serious enough login problems (but since 5 minutes prior HA started there was possibility to login for everyone), has anyone written about it to our members?
4. As I understand, there was only login server fallen, so all players, who was online - they stayed online. There was only a single crash of about 5-10 players, so I do not believe your entire fleet crashed and none could not write anything. As well I have seen players were reconnecting prior/after harbor tile started and harbor tile lasted for very long time (I was there for about 10+ mins and then retrieted and logged out, but harbor health still was much more than a half. Guess you had at least 30 mins of harbor tile battle to write about the problem).

How we have seen the situation:
FG had low online (we have seen it at their assault). We started the shortest path way only, without any other cells. We fought 2 tiles against about 20 players, finishing each battle in 5-10 mins, rushing from the respawn. After they saw pointless of the defense and due to running event they decided to give the HA away, leaving cells without defense to finish it faster.
We did the same when we were not interested in defending a harbor: we were leaving it or shelling the harbor by our own. That's why I regret we understood the situation in one way, but you - in a different.

If there was information you have a serious login problem and due to this reason you do not enter the HT and preHT, you should report the problem to us and we either wait till the login-server is up or cancel the application. I regret that we had such misunderstanding :-(
Our diplomat wasn't at this harbor so he has to get clarification and will give official answer and possible further solutions. 

  • Re : gg R.A. fair play jajajajaja

    11. 30. 2014 16:16


SSquadleader

Originally Posted by osn3179

Maybe we do not attack harbors and not to defend if the enemy fleet less than 50 people? So it is fair? We have 200 people and we come here to play and have fun. If you think so, then write pritenzii to GM on to change the rules of the game and not to us. A few years ago in the RA was only 35 account and we attacked the harbor and did not know we can capture the harbor or not. We attacked in order to learn how to play and have a good time. RA fleet did not present any claim or any large fleet because of his loss harbors. If the enemy was stronger and more numerous, we always recognized. This for me is "fair game". And do not dilute the drama on the forum due to the fact that you have lost the harbor through the fault of SDE.

Seeing the misunderstanding in your response urge me post a reply.  First, I am not in the defending fleet of UK harbor and I posted here as an observer.  Second, I am talking about a server issue during HA.  Of course, you can attack, defend, and beat anyone with less than 50 people.  My point is not to do this during a server issue.  I could not login myself yesterday around that time for 1.5 hours, so I can see the point of the defending fleet.  Third, I do not agree with your "fault of SDE" statement.  It is like saying that I can take advantage of you because it is SDE fault.  Yes, you can, but is it the right thing to do?

 

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