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    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    02. 02. 2007 08:40

Penguin0123
Bump. Come on....we need verity. Stuff these ships in there TNF.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    02. 02. 2007 04:44

JamesI
(Reply actually intended at the end of page 10- damn that invisible arrow)

A mixed reply, but thankfully set up by the previous poster.

Firstly i applaud your energy in this project, and your imperviousness to the long
grown cynicism of long term NFers. I would love to see these two navies join our
current crop, and i always agreed that they were great enough in both variety and
quality to repel any counter arguments.

However, i must echo the sentiments of Roger, but perhaps with a little more
expansion then he deemed fit for your post.

The idea is good, and a motivated early days game team could do it. However, this
is the period in a games life where it treads water! You may not have caught it at
the time, but TNF let it slip that NF2 was entering development. Like most things in
the world, new shiny objects generate more money than a ageing but refitted model.
While NF is not old by usual concepts, the announcement of a sequel is basically a
read between the lines newsflash saying "our energy is going elsewhere now".

Basically, TNF laid down cash to make this work, they recouped it with special ships
and sailor boosts, and now that growth in the product has slowed, they are
reinvesting that money into a new shiny game for us all to pump our funds into
again like those first few commercial months ^^

So forgive Roger if he seems to pooh pooh your ideas, he means you no discredit
directly, but any idea like this may only happen in the new game, which will be
fleshed out before the new forum for said game opens!!! Therefore it seems painful
to watch someone pore their heart out on a forum that may well be wiped come
Dday NF2

Keep in mind the past TNF poll asking about modern ships.... trust me, that question
was never mean't to be used in this game....

(forgive me if i use TNF where i should use SDenternet)

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    02. 02. 2007 02:54

Rogerborg
Your optimism is an inspiration to us all. It's misplaced, but it's still an inspiration.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    02. 01. 2007 13:13

Rengokuy
woo hoo! Some of the picture are starting to return! Thank for your contunued support!
Also went through and fixed the spacing issues.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 31. 2007 16:54

Rengokuy
And what a resurection it is ^^ (i didn't feel right bumping my thread, it seems so
noob-ish). So far so good. And my souce lists the Attilio Regolo as "were actually very
large, fast destroyers." I dunno, I could see how its a crusiser >.> Yah, still dont know
why those photos wont work, suppose I should get on that. Ill start back up on this thread
after my 12 page assignment is done (woo hoo college) And I like the ship tree. Alos, I
did notice a lack in firepower for Italian DD's, thats why I included the Colonial Sloop

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 31. 2007 12:46

Shrike
Thread resurrection.

Here's a possible Italian tree, Rengo.

Ignore gun spacing and ship levels, and even ship positions. Number of mounts on
the spacing is correct though.

www.geocities.com/shrikedsc/NF_RM_tree.png

Need to copy/paste that link into your browser.

Some notes:

Names don't match totally with your list, but most of those classes are represented.

Examples:

Andrea Doria -> Caio Duilio
Guilio Cesare -> Conte di Cavour
Trieste -> Trento
Attilio Regolo -> Capitani Romani

BTW, you have Attilio Regolo as a destroyer, but the sources I have list it as a
cruiser (albeit a small one).

There might be more DDs to work with. Most Italian DDs were fairly small though.
Most classes had two twin 120mm (4.7") and that's all for primary armament.

Thoughts are welcome.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 10. 2007 20:12

Rengokuy
Ummm, try reading a majority of the posts (especially by Shrike). I am no expert on the
French naval actions. That being said, the French ships fought against the Germans and
British. When put to use by the nations that claimed them, they proved their worth. Italy
was well known for making some of the best cruisers, the one being kept into the Italian
Navy untill 1972. In game, the French will have generaly higer speed, and the Italians
would have very good cruisers. Perhaps you should do a little research before you say such
ridiclous things, its quite clear, your opinion on France and Italy.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 10. 2007 19:47

DoubleDisfun
Its nice to have someone who actually takes the time to research things, like ship stats.
I think the thing to point out here is that the French Navy did not take part in naval
battles during WW2. If they did, it wasn't on the same scale as the other navies that are
represented in this game. Italy sort of fought the Royal Navy and lost big time. Both
countries are generally ridiculed for their participation in WW2. Had the Germans assumed
control of the French and Italian navies then I suppose things would've turned out
differently.

But really above all else, does anyone care besides a small segment of the in-game and
general populace? Everyone has heard of the Bismarck, Yamato, Missouri (Iowa), and Hood.
All these ships have historic significance. Documentaries have been aired in most of the
world about these ships, not just in specific areas of the planet (i.e. French ships in
French documentaries). Besides, what would the French and Italian navies have above the
others? All joking aside, would the Italian ships get double the bomb damage from UK
planes and the French one's receive a new ability called "team-switching."

This is not a flame against the French and Italians. Anyone who fails to see beyond that
will act out of emotion, post and accuse.

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 10. 2007 18:22

Rengokuy
I regret to inform every one that I will not be updating this thread as much anymore. I
have a very large project on the IJN that will take a lot of time up. Slowly I will add to
the Italians and finish off the French (im lazy) I also plan to move on to other
suggestions (mainly fixing the APA's and the then I am gonna to do this for German Carries
of the Z-plan) I can at least say that even if the fleets are never introduced, I am proud
of this topic. It was the HMS Dreadnought of ship suggestions. So thank you all for the
recomendations. Lets keep hoping for to see theses fleets in the new Navyfield (if it ever
comes out)

  • Re : New Nations suggestion (French/Italian)

    01. 09. 2007 08:51

Rengokuy
Odd, first bump ever on this thread (>.<) Well, I got the pictures back then they stopped
working again. I think its my photobucket account or something. There won't be any new
updates until I figure out why its not working....... Sorry everyone
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