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  • New Nations French/Italian/Russian

    11. 19. 2006 20:23

Rengokuy
Please Restickey!

Granted by Angus725 *dated March 24th, 2011*

---------------------------I was right-------------------------

Trees (to large to post, copy paste into your browser)
*ignore French and Italian DD lines, they are being changed
France - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/FrenchTree.jpg
Italy - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/ItalyTree.jpg
Russia - http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/Rengokuy/RussiaTree.jpg

*Updating ships to match the trees
Edit - Richelieu remodel to Jean Bart, not Gascagone
Edit - Bearn remodel to Joffre (as they have same capacity, one just trades
armor/armament
for speed)

-for people who want to know the capabilities of the guns, nearly all are found on
this website http://www.navweaps.com/


(boring intro section, scroll past to get to the ships and pretty pictures)
Short and Sweet, the French and Italians had good strong navies during WWII.
Both would be workable into the current game, ideally as their own nation, using
their own crews.

The French Navy would be a speedy one at that. Range would be rather long,
either equal to or a bit farther than most german guns at level. French DD's will be
some of the best in game, each with high damaging, fast firing guns. CL's and CA's
would be fast hard hitters that don't present much of a target, but they will be very
vulnrable to shell fire as they didn't mount much armor, a problem remidied in the
BB's. The French carriers would all be rather slow, their aircraft typical until higher
levels. BB's would all be above average, with long firing guns. (don't let the PBB
Dunkerque fool you, they had much better range than that)
Richelieu's guns had a longer range than the Iowa's.
All battleships would be capable of defending themselves from aircraft as well.

As for the Italian Navy, it would be a nation of Cruisers and AA guns. Heavy and Light
Cruisers would be the strongest of any nation in the game. DD's would be a trick to
use. All would have few mounts (usually only 2 or 3) but remain the same size as
other nations DD's. BB's would be typical until higher levels when they improve
drastically. Italian Carriers would be tend to have a little less plane space than their
counterparts, but be able to equip much heavier armament. Italian guns in general
had very long ranges, even over german guns. This was achieved at the grave price
of short barrel lives. The FCS system was very effective, tight salvos are to be
expected. Armor would be rated in giving about 20% stronger than the USN armor.

The Russian navy. Well, they will be very interesting indeed. Right from the beginning
they get very fast destroyers with considerably heavy armament. Russian cruisers
will be a bit more difficult to use. Their armament usually lighter than ships of the
same weight, their only advantages being tight salvos and small profiles. The
Russian battleships will be, for lack of better words, terrors to fight. The early on
ones based of the Gangut class, they are small targets with a lot of guns, the only
disadvantage being lack of AA defense, a problem remedied at the BB4 and 5 level,
the ships here built in practice with current US ones (iowa and montana). Even their
aircraft carriers are well armed, each making good speed and decent capacity. As for
their aircrafts, figters will be good, but bombs and torpedoes relativily weak.
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  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 01:17

BloodAxe
Adding both French and Italian Navies is a popular suggestion. However the official
NF reply has always been that it would be too difficult and would require a complete
game redesign.

I suspect that the game is designed around four nations and that chaning this
would be fundimental. The best alternatives would probably be to redesign the RN
nation with a French line nad the KM with an Italian line.

I say RN and KM as the USN and IJN both have far more ships already and
historically this should have been how they fought.

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 01:16

Michaelius
Been suggested dozens of time already

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 01:01

Rengokuy
Unfortunally the pictures are not showing up (curse you photo bucket) But I should have
ships for the italian navy up in a few days.

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 00:49

c3187

Great Job...
But to keep it balanced the Italian Navy should be considered allso. Both had good
Naval traditions and were backed up by excellent naval contsruction using some of
the best methods of the their time.
But good job . Awesome in fact . I recomeded it . All should allso for diversity of
play.

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 00:33

Rengokuy
thank you, i will post the pictures right away

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 00:32

M262
I think i read something similar, afew times on lots of forums, but hey,
recommendations are nothing nowadays, so...

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 00:28

Xarkalab
You need to upload the pics to a free place, like tinypic.com, then paste the path of
the picture here, thats all.

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 20. 2006 00:10

Rengokuy
if someone can explain how, I will gladly add photos to the 1st post

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 19. 2006 23:50

Rengokuy
If the seaplane tenders are accepted as carriers, then they can eaisly be incorporated
into the current trees.
IJN Chitose
a funny looking ship, was made to eaisly be converted to a carrier
USS Langly
practically an aircraft carrier. Except it used floatplanes/
HMS Pegasus
Was Renamed pegasus so it former name could be used for another ship. The Ark Royal.
KM Falke
Had a full lenght flight deck and catapult

  • Re : A French Fleet? (with example ships!!)

    11. 19. 2006 23:36

Genosaurer
For Italian aircraft carriers, as I understand it there were two planned, both to be
modified from cruise liners.

Roma -> Aquila (fleet carrier)
Augustus -> Sparviero (escort carrier)

And yeah, the Aquila would have been pretty crazy looking.



Already recommended something today, but I'll recommend this one tomorrow. More nations
would be great.
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