Certainly influenced my decision....
I went the Hipper line cos I cant shoot that well anyway, Deutchland would have
exacerbated the problem.
Thanks Obst

The second set of any KM gun is instantly better then the previous gunset.

There is more code behind the guns then just what you are shown.

secondly the 6.75" set guns and the 8" set guns were not modified.
Except for the first set of 6.75" D which had a gunspace increase to remove it from the z99

Obst; Can you clarify on the differences between the KM first and second sets of
6.75s and 8s please? From simply examining the numbers with post-ONF-patch;

lvl 35, 6.75"/40 SK L/40 L
- 811 m/s Muzzle Velocity
- 37 degree max elevation
- 4.76 s Reload

lvl 39, 6.75"/40 SK L/40s L
- 811 m/s Muzzle Velocity
- 37 degree max elevation
- 4.96 s Reload

and..

lvl 45, 8"/60 SK C/31 L
- 1018 m/s Muzzle Velocity
- 37 degree max elevation
- 6.76 s Reload

lvl 49, 8"/60 SK C/34 L
- 1018 m/s Muzzle Velocity
- 37 degree max elevation
- 7.28 s Reload

(these numbers from trainworld but I beleive they are updated and match the game
data)

Since it looks like the shells are identical and so are the "numbers" I'd like to know
your results from people actually using these. Essentially; have the second sets of
these guns been nerfed down the capabilities of the first sets only they're heavier
and have longer reload times?

Thanks sincerely,

Brookster

I don't speak from experiece, but from what I've heard, the D-Land is nearly impossible to use effectively unless
you have simply UBER gunners (11/11 minimum). I've seen some Hippers perform very well even with the
laughable 5.9" trips mounted, and the 8" duals can be very accurate. I guess it simply depends on your style of
play. Less experienced people who want t stay with cruisers should go Hipper, while those more experienced who
have incredible gunners and want to go BB earlier should play D-Land.

Obst I would change the recommended guns for the Ppro1

From:
11"/54.5 D -> 11" C/28 L

The 11" C/28 L have more range then the 11"/54.5 D with only 1 less bind of ammo (4 binds
verses 5)

definately. now we can HIT something.

Hipper is much better buhhh
for the new patch Dland's accuracy has changed
does dat mean a lot to Dland??

P2 is still at 59, that's a mistake in the changelog.

"Then, at level 59(PS)/60(Hip) you will gain access to your first real BC."

"The Scharnhorst can also use the 11" C/34 N, but has one more barrel than the P2. However,
it is a bigger target and comes later."

From patch notes:

"(4) KM
- Lv 59 BC.P-Project II
Required Level: 59 -> 60
Normal Displacement 11000 -> 9500
Speed: 2 knots increased

- Lv 62 Scharnhorst
Required Level: 62 -> 60
Speed: 1 knot decreased."

It would appear that Scharn and PII are now the same level.

"The Prinz Eugen is a CL/CA murderer.
The range of the second set Dual 8"L is equal to 11" C/34 D (mind the D) so it still
outranges all other CL/CA except for P1.
It fires faster so it is capable of dealing with rushers better than the P1 and has
better placed turrets. However, the Prinz Eugen suffers from worse AA."

Obst I think you mean the 11" C/28 as the C/34 are the guns for the Ppro and if the Ppro's
intended main guns have equal range to the 8" L what is the point of the guns?