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  • CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 10. 2009 19:47

Kapusta
Now if this topic has already been made, nothing came up in my searches, and I
searched every possibility for such a thing as I could, and all I could find was a
sentence about a CV owa hybrid, which would be a little above the tier I'm thinking
of here.

*Everyone* knows that the IJN has the CV Ise, a hybrid CV/BB, and possibly TW.
And for a long time, people have been wanting a CV like this for each nation,
especially since the recent temporary spikes in CV wars due to the July 4th event.
Now I know that several CV/BB hybrids have been suggested before, but I believe
that this would be the best option: the Alaska CV conversion remodel.

Now, for a little history, which I'm kind of unclear of myself. As I understand it, the
US sort of had a CV crisis after the Battle of the Coral Sea, what with the Lexy being
sunk and the Saratoga in for repairs, and not many Essexes being in commision, the
USN was looking for ships to convert. There was the Baltimore, Cleveland, Alaska,
among others. But the Alaska stood out because it was similar to the Essex in many
way, but blah blah blah, Cleveland got chosen instead -> Independence, and
Baltimore -> Saipan, which is not in the game, and I didn't find that in any searches
either.

While the Alaska was never actually turned into a CV, and only 2 were built
anyways, I think it'd be a good candidate because:

1. It's similar to the Essex.
2. It's currently very crappy.
3. It's a BB1, just like the Ise, so as not to make it overpowered.
4. It's crappy.
5. It's gigantic and could use some fixing, so why not turn it into a CV?
6. It's an underpowered BB, so it's crappy.
7. The taking off of 1 gun won't be too bad, not that its firepower was all that great
anyways.
8. It has low firepower:size ratio, making it crappy.
9. It might have actually existed, although probably not in the form I'm talking about,
being a flattop instead, but I like it more this way anyways, so too bad!
10. Did I mention that right now, it's crappy?

Now as mentioned before in the list, if it had actually undergone conversion, it would
probably have become a flattop. However, things didn't progress far enough for
plans to be drawn up, so I'm just gonna "assume" that it was gonna be a hybrid.
Since it is very large, it would make a better aircraft carrier than certain tiny
CVs that somehow serve as runways for giant cargo planes *cough*Oyodo*cough*.
And also, since it only has one rear gun, the removal of it would give it still 2/3 the
firepower, therfore not nerfing its firepower so much that it basically becomes a
normal CV, and it would certainly be fun(ner) to drive.

Allowing the Alaska to remodel into a US hyrid BB/CV would add another aspect to
US BB play,
and would also be quite amusing. It would turn the US's crappier BB1 into an
acceptable and perhaps enjoyable ship. And while it would require a CV crew, many
US BB beginners have already gone CV. And for those who haven't, it would
encourage them to try out a BB before getting too sunken into a BB. Besides, the
Ise did it! And as for a name, Alaska would work for me, but you'd need to use
another date or something. You could also use Hawaii, or the name of one of the
other 4 Alaskas.

So now, enjoy some pretty pictures and such:

A side by side comparison between my crude MS-Paint-skin-grafted CV Alaska model
and the current CB Alaska model:


And the CV Alaska stat board thingy:


Oh, and did I mention that this will decrapify the Alaska :)?
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  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 17. 2009 09:08

minertheron
ok i put some catapults on it the first has 3 and the second has a fourth of the side
float-plane catapult tell me which is better









  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 17. 2009 07:27

minertheron
im gonna start working on the P Pro III sprite some more and i have my eye on those small
catapults on the front of the seydlitz but also here is a sprite with some planes on
deck(still need to do shadows)

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 22:49

Genosaurer
On the topic of "things to consider":

Is your hybrid intended to operate floatplanes, or wheeled planes? This will make a big
difference in the answers to the questions below.

Will your hybrid launch and/or recover its planes? For floatplanes, being able to launch
will probably require a catapult and a handling deck where the planes can be loaded,
fueled and warmed up. For wheeled planes, being able to launch means a flat, straight,
fairly wide, unobstructed flight deck that can be faced into the wind. Recovering
floatplanes will require a crane to pull them out of the water after they land. Recovering
wheeled planes means a flat, straight, fairly wide, unobstructed flight deck that's long
enough for a plane to come to a stop on.

Will your hybrid have a lot of planes? If it only will operate a few, it's probably okay
to leave them sitting out on the deck, or on the catapults, or whatever. If you're
carrying a reasonably sized group though, you'll probably want a hangar to keep them in,
perform maintenence on them, and so on.

Will your hybrid launch planes a few at a time, or all in a single wave as a full carrier
did? If launching in a wave, for wheeled planes, the ship needs a flight deck large enough
to hold a "deck park", where all the planes to be launched are brought out of the hangar
and warmed up - and the deck has to be large enough that the front-most plane in the park
has enough flight deck ahead of it that it can get airborne. For floatplanes, launching a
wave will require a number of catapults relative to the size of your airgroup, as the time
required to prep an aircraft for catapult launch was comparably long.

Will your hybrid be able to recover planes and launch them at the same time? This is
important in real carrier operations for small launches that took place frequently, such
as ASW patrols and rotating CAP fighters. If using wheeled fighters, this will require
either separate small flying-off and landing decks, or a single deck large enough to do
both at the same time. If using floatplanes it's probably not an issue as long as you have
the equipment to do both tasks and enough open deck space between them.

Can your hybrid operate aircraft while firing its main guns? If yes, keep in mind that the
blast from a large gun (say anything 6" or larger) will destroy aircraft adjacent to the
gun if it fires across them. This means limiting the arcs of the guns if they're placed
near the flight deck, placing the guns far away from the deck, or alternatively placing
the guns below the deck level (or the deck above the guns level).

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 15:17

straswa
Awesome ideas so far, I especially like that CV Omaha.

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 15:11

JasonZombolt
Nice, Now your thinking!

A few Pointers.

1)Flight Deck Vs Normal Deck, Your deck looks weird with the Flight deck crawling half way
up the ship. It dose not look Right. Have your Flight Deck Slightly above the normal Deck
by use of Shadows.

^That was my Big thing, the rest are nit picing^

2)Add Some CV Parts to make it more CV-ish, Like I used Oyodo, Ise, and Sedalitz parts.
You Could Sdd a Mast to help.

3)Lines, The Line on your Flight Deck is off a little bit.

4) It's just me but I dont like the pointy deck. It's just me.

Most everything Else is Fine.

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 15:08

Kapusta
Thanks for the info, I'll earn GIMP, and maybe continue to learn Blender. And NF
does set a good scenario for launching aircraft on short flight decks. *cough*40
knots OH*cough*

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 14:50

minertheron
yep Jason i know what i am doing and yep name would be (CV. P Project III) and yes unlike
yours this design can work without catapults because of the wind that flows over the front
of the ship that helps give the plane the take off capability i know the WW2 battleships
and carriers couldn't go 40 knots like the P Pro does in game but that allowed the flight
deck to be shorter also flight deck access by planes is that single middle Elevator.
landing is the only tricky part on this ship because to switch it between landing and
takeoff you would have to attach or detach the landing wires. other than that all the
pieces fit well except around the main structure which i am gonna start working on along
with putting some planes on the flight deck

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 14:06

JasonZombolt
No Problem.
And Remember think "How Could This Work?" Like my Omaha has a little Steam Catipult at the
back yo launch and the hanger at the end of the deck. So Breath and think. YOu are close.
Like your "CV pro" (lol Name) just add a little more.

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 13:59

minertheron
i use gimp to and nice job jason i like ur little guide

  • Re : CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 16. 2009 13:16

JasonZombolt
I use Gimp, a Free photo editor and Team BNF Sprite Editor and time.
I want to learn how to 3d though...
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