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  • CV ALASKA! Also the 4 Nations CV/BB Hybrid Thread

    07. 10. 2009 19:47

Kapusta
Now if this topic has already been made, nothing came up in my searches, and I
searched every possibility for such a thing as I could, and all I could find was a
sentence about a CV owa hybrid, which would be a little above the tier I'm thinking
of here.

*Everyone* knows that the IJN has the CV Ise, a hybrid CV/BB, and possibly TW.
And for a long time, people have been wanting a CV like this for each nation,
especially since the recent temporary spikes in CV wars due to the July 4th event.
Now I know that several CV/BB hybrids have been suggested before, but I believe
that this would be the best option: the Alaska CV conversion remodel.

Now, for a little history, which I'm kind of unclear of myself. As I understand it, the
US sort of had a CV crisis after the Battle of the Coral Sea, what with the Lexy being
sunk and the Saratoga in for repairs, and not many Essexes being in commision, the
USN was looking for ships to convert. There was the Baltimore, Cleveland, Alaska,
among others. But the Alaska stood out because it was similar to the Essex in many
way, but blah blah blah, Cleveland got chosen instead -> Independence, and
Baltimore -> Saipan, which is not in the game, and I didn't find that in any searches
either.

While the Alaska was never actually turned into a CV, and only 2 were built
anyways, I think it'd be a good candidate because:

1. It's similar to the Essex.
2. It's currently very crappy.
3. It's a BB1, just like the Ise, so as not to make it overpowered.
4. It's crappy.
5. It's gigantic and could use some fixing, so why not turn it into a CV?
6. It's an underpowered BB, so it's crappy.
7. The taking off of 1 gun won't be too bad, not that its firepower was all that great
anyways.
8. It has low firepower:size ratio, making it crappy.
9. It might have actually existed, although probably not in the form I'm talking about,
being a flattop instead, but I like it more this way anyways, so too bad!
10. Did I mention that right now, it's crappy?

Now as mentioned before in the list, if it had actually undergone conversion, it would
probably have become a flattop. However, things didn't progress far enough for
plans to be drawn up, so I'm just gonna "assume" that it was gonna be a hybrid.
Since it is very large, it would make a better aircraft carrier than certain tiny
CVs that somehow serve as runways for giant cargo planes *cough*Oyodo*cough*.
And also, since it only has one rear gun, the removal of it would give it still 2/3 the
firepower, therfore not nerfing its firepower so much that it basically becomes a
normal CV, and it would certainly be fun(ner) to drive.

Allowing the Alaska to remodel into a US hyrid BB/CV would add another aspect to
US BB play,
and would also be quite amusing. It would turn the US's crappier BB1 into an
acceptable and perhaps enjoyable ship. And while it would require a CV crew, many
US BB beginners have already gone CV. And for those who haven't, it would
encourage them to try out a BB before getting too sunken into a BB. Besides, the
Ise did it! And as for a name, Alaska would work for me, but you'd need to use
another date or something. You could also use Hawaii, or the name of one of the
other 4 Alaskas.

So now, enjoy some pretty pictures and such:

A side by side comparison between my crude MS-Paint-skin-grafted CV Alaska model
and the current CB Alaska model:


And the CV Alaska stat board thingy:


Oh, and did I mention that this will decrapify the Alaska :)?
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  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 12. 2009 02:50

billy333
if u say that, may mod able to let the yamato and super yamato to be half cv also
since the shinano was planned which was based on the yamato, so that will be
great if sde remove the yamato and super yamato back gun and put the shinano
deck on it?

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 10:22

Kapusta
Hey, they're fun. Nuff said. It's not like they're incredibly unbalancing anyways. Plus,
the Alaska sucks right now...why don't you give it a try?

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 10:02

RedDawnUSA
I think this is a horrible ideal. I hate the hybrid boats, but you learn to adapt to them.

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 07:52

Kapusta
ell, the CV Ise gets 2000 plane sapce, and the Alaska is much alrger and
underpowered, so I think it deserves some mor eplanespace. And if you like it, recc
it :). Seriously, i would love to see this implemented though.

@Geno: as I said, they probably would've been flat topped CVs.

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 07:47

Genosaurer
Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, just attempting to clear up misconceptions.

The 1942 conversions considered for the Alaska class were for full flight deck carriers
only. If completed to that design the result would have been decent fleet carriers only
slightly inferior to the Essex class - and they probably would have been commissioned
sooner, and seen more use than they did as "large cruisers". It's an interesting what-if.

If you don't care about the actual design history, that's fine, it's your suggestion. I
would suggest revising your original post to reflect that, though.

The US did have real hybrid designs, primarily cruiser-sized ships of around 10,000t
displacement usually referred to as "flight-deck cruisers" (CF). The 1930 design, which
came closest to being built (funding for it was authorized in the naval budget, but the
great depression resulted in it being cut) would have carried three triple 6" and six
single 5" guns, and an estimated 24+ aircraft.



With three R mounts all forward and 3 T mounts on each side, and probably around 1500
planespace, it would be sort of like a bigger Mogami CV if put into the game.

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 07:24

KingYamato1
That's gonna need more deck space if you want 2250 Plane Space

But then again,you can launch D1A's and Zeros from Oyodo's and Mogami's and
recover them,so it wouldn't matter :)

That would certainly be interesting to see implemented,IMO anyhow.

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 11. 2009 06:18

Kapusta
I see no point for the Saipan. It's just an uprated Indy you could stuff in at lvl 70.
This wll actually make things more interesting,

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 10. 2009 23:05

CNR4806
I got my current Guam named Hawaii, so no.

Get Saipan into the game before suggesting fancy incomplete projects.

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 10. 2009 20:30

Kapusta
Here's an even more awesome sprite:


Hmmm, I wonder who recc'd :).

  • Re : CV ALASKA!

    07. 10. 2009 20:11

Kapusta
Can't see the picture. And I'm not all that historically accurate, so TOO BAD.
ANYWAYS...

Is this any better? I had to butcher an Independence to get this:

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