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  • So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 14. 2011 05:51

TemplarBones
Just a wild shot outta the ole NavyField Dark, what exactly are CV's expected to do during GB2?
(Considering GB2 is all anyone can play because nothing else pays out experience or credits,
even though the pay on the experience for experienced CV players is crap) (I should expand on
this, considering I make at the very most 20k experience per pilot when I spend most of my
time scouting, but if I do anything other than scout EVEN BOMB AT THE VERY END! I catch flak)

Scout?
First thing that comes to mind for about 95% of BB players.
I remember when CV players used to tell the BB types to go fly a kite but thats another subject.

Bomb?
Do any of the honest hard working cv captains feel a bit put upon when a bomber whore is on
your team? I do, I mean I have to work harder scouting.. while he just spams bombers and
racks up attack. For the love of god I actually had a BOMBER WHORE tell me I wasn't scouting
enough!

Fight?
We train for months on end so our fighters will be top notch.. is scouting all we're good for?

I'm trying very hard to meld into the whole GB2 crowd, considering there is no other way to
make decent experience. Is there any way to make everyone happy? Certainly not. However,
I've come to the conclusion that theres just no making ............. I would say everyone but the
truth is........... ANYONE happy. I can sit right behind the BB line and spam fighters for 8-10
minutes straight, drop the 'vision' for thirty seconds and hear NOOB CV, SCOUT SOUTH! with
no delay.

BB captains are up on the front line doin' there thing.. takin time to pick thier shot. They get
popped for one reason or another and who do they target with the accusations? Did it ever
occur to them that they shouldn't have been sitting back waiting for the right opportunity? That
the guy that just sent 3 waves of 10 fighters is sending even more fighters now so they could
see... fighting against 4bar gold emdens/moltkes.. lvl 120 tier4 ftrs... and gas
consumption.. just so they have thier precious 'VISION'. I actually had a guy tell me tonight he
can send fighters over the enemy AA and not lose a single fighter.. mmm BULL*&%$
Four Bar Gold Emden? .. sorry but your full of it dude.. even if he doesn't have his angles right
all he has to do is spray in your direction and at least one will fall. And lets not even touch on
Flagships and SS's.

SCOUT NOOB! that is by far the most prominent two words in the CV's vocabulary.
Everyone wants 8 cv's to magically appear in thier GB games but can't figure out why nobody
plays cv when the insults fly so freely when a certain side loses.

Bottom line is I dont think BB captains understand the impact they have on the CV pilots. I've
been grinding (almost up to Shinano now) for about two months and am still amazed at the
insults I recieve on a daily basis. I can spam fighters for half a dozen games, same number,
same technique.. SAME WAY. If we win its fine but if we lose.. it always seems to be the CV's
Fault.

I am truly trying to stay with the popular consensus and use fighters mostly to scout for the
better of my team. But with such a low experience gain, and the constant insults why shouldn't
I just bomber whore and ignore everyone?

/flame on
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  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 19:11

fokker
Templarbones

My comments in a recent game in which we were on the same team may have lead
this thread.

1. I saw you were south so I will give you a bit of a break. I cannot call out any
specific CV since you were all south but obviously the CV team should look to spread
out evenly. This cost us some ships.

2. i pointed out that the CV team could have looked at the map and one of our
remaining BB (Seva) was well into Bravo territory shooting up the Bravo CV. He
was FT camped and under constant DB attack. Even a few FT would have helped
him. Nobody could be bothered so while you may think you are having fun, I say
you CV were being selfish.

3. You pointed out that you were too far away to help since you and the other CV
were at the extreme other side of the map. Again, since you were clearly South, I
will cut you a break. As I pointed out, at least one of the CV should have followed
the North BB front to provide support. While I guess you were too far to send FT,
you were not to far to send DB. So basically be upfront and say "Screw you team".

4. After said DB attack, you got mad at me and said "stop telling CV what to do"
when I advised to leave you DB over the CV you damaged as a scout for the Seva.
Sure they were getting shot down but you let them start to return. Use your brain,
they were going to run out of fuel anyway so let them be useful to your teammate.

As a general comment for CV players, if you decide you will play for yourself (for fun)
and not even look to kill enemy scouts, kill enemy attack planes, or provide some
scouting, please feel free to let your team know ahead of time. Then the next time I
am in a BB, I will then look to park my ship behind you. I will have fun shooting up
the enemy BB as they start shelling you.

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 18:53

zcx1
dont be so serious,its just a game,who cares about those bbs,do what u like,go all out
and bw or use locals.If u dont like playing cv,go play a bb and feel whats its like fighting
blind.bbs dead=cvs dead

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 18:41

ljsevern
"Got to jump in on this one, SK Bismark and other's that said "have fun, this is a game"
are right, play the CV how you want to play it."

Playing CV in a way that ruins the game for others on your team is stupid. As long as shared exp
exists, I will tell people when they are useless.

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 18:28

farazelleth
last time I post in this thead but ...

@ Firemedic

You can only have 8 pilots (not 5+4), also sending your limited fuel T4 fighters over the
enemy to scout (with their limited sight) is begging to get AA'd, die, run out of fuel and
totally not kill any other planes unless they stray into your scouting fps. The flight
time from your CV to your front line, over no mans land and then to enemy lines (dependant
on how far back from front line you are) means you get to loiter around 10-20 sec before
you have to recall them if you have any hope of getting them to land. Suicide scouting is
a noob lower level tactic (personal opinion, any tactic involving suicide is wrong)


With the advent of low fuel, high speed/offense T4's use them to their advantage in
killing other planes and let scouts scout. I'm just trying to help you guys out but play
the game however you want... we are all here for fun right?

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 14:20

Firemedic
Got to jump in on this one, SK Bismark and other's that said "have fun, this is a game"
are right, play the CV how you want to play it. I drive a BB5, CV5, SS4 and right now I'm
more fun playing a FF chasing subs and annoying BBs and CVs if there are no subs to hunt.

The CV's mission is to deny the enemy the air, inflict damage on the enemy and provide air
cover for your ships (anti fighter and scouting).

The problem is you don't have enough planes to do it all. Even just Fighters, you can't be
every where the BBs want you. I've seen many CVs sink MULTIPLE BBs in a game and turn the
tide of battle with DB's, others doing nothing by flying Ftrs and I've see useless CVs,
some to being low level which can't be helped and others to not playing well. The same for
BBs some good, some bad, but if a BB player also plays a CV they know how your fighters
lower fighters can get destroyed by enemy T4 fighters as soon as they take off and can
tell if you're really doing OK or not.

So only you really know how you play, can you get you're planes where you want them? If so
then you played a good game regardless of what any player says. if you can't for some
reason, why and how can you get them there next time, running a dogleg to get them there
seeing where the enemy ftrs are ago putting your ftrs somewhere else.

I normally play 5 ftrs and 4 DB, (I think, it's been a while) I fly my Ftrs in groups of 2
for a quick launch and try to position them near the enemy for scouting (other players
keep them close for BB support). I also carry enough fighters and normally keep them over
the enemy until the run out of fuel and crash. By the time they crash my BD have launched
and I can ready ftrs again.

But ignore bad comments unless you did have a bad game (fix it next time), Have fun, if a
game is not fun to play, then why play it? Games are suppose to be fun, just have a good time.

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 10:03

bloodsky
Tactically, a CVs role is to deny the enemy vision. That means either
A) Killing enemy CVs with bombs
B)Killing enemy ftrs

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 09:10

farazelleth
@ Sonlirain

You don't spam fighters over the eneny line lol, I assume your thinking CV who scouts and
kill planes, well then fighters kill other planes ... especially over your own lines to
keep enemy blind.

Use other planes to scout enemy line ... oh i dunno maybe a scout?! Radical logic there....

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 08:28

Sonlirain
Jobs for the CV:

Spam their fighters over the enemy BB line till they run out of aircraft.
????
Prof... OMIGAWD w whoop'n 15k-20k exp for the fracking win
(all that while a similar level BB racked at least twice as much or even more if he knows
what he's doing).

That would be it.

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 04:27

iampants

There are many roles that a CV can perform...

Unfortunately most ignorant people in the game believe one of two things:

1. that CVs should perform all of them, switching between these roles instantly at any
part of the map

2. that CV are noobs if they are not doing what they think they should.

Fact #2 is that most of the people holding these views have no real knowledge or ability
in CV play.

  • Re : So, Whats a CV's Role?

    03. 15. 2011 04:05

ljsevern
"Sorry to say those days are gone Lukas. Just giving most BBs vision will do little when
most players do not know how to use the ship they are in.

It used to be if there were 5 BB5s in a room for example, 3 would know what they are
doing. Nowadays you can have 5 BB5s per side that do not know what they are doing.
Supporting them will only bring you down."

I agree, the standard of play is horrible. But as faraz knows, one AA ship can really annoy a bomber
whore :P

It annoys me when I play BB that I get CV's constantly that won't scout and fail at bombing. If people
know how to bomb, thats great. Afterwards, use your bombers as scouts too.
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