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  • REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 09. 2012 12:31

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AdmHoliday

The biggest and simplest fix for CV play in game today is the experience factor.  You can not FW and quickly level up.  Honestly you can't BW and level up much faster tho it is slightly.  If we wan't more CV players knowing what they are doing and playing then the EXP needs to increase to gain more players and entice them to stick with it until they reach the top levels.  As I have stated before, you really need more than 1 full crew for a CV6 and with current EXP rates it becomes the most time invested ship in this game.  Many either quit playing them or stop leveling because it just "ain't worth the time and effort".  Not to mention the critiscm while learning.


There is NO NEED to argue 8 vs 6 in this thread.  I think that arguement thread is doing quite well. 

There is NO NEED to argue how many planes on a pilot on this thread.  THAT GROUP BASHING THREAD IS DOING ABUNDANTLY WELL.  


JUST AGREE OR NOT ON INCREASING EXP and let's see how many think this would be a great place to start fixing the CV problems.

 

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 09. 2012 12:38


Gundamx2

i guess there will just be more unexperienced CV players get to a higher tier of CV without the skills that needed to have
just like what a massive exp boost event brings you

personal i'd like to increase the exp.. but yea.... qulity of game play comes 1st 

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 09. 2012 13:49


Tomm96

Really?
Thats quite odd, with prem I get 80k+ with a mixed setup on my cv5.

With pure FW I get about 30-40k so there is a big diffrent bettwen the setups for the cvs.

Look on the tactics the players today holds, how many can slingshot of them? Keep the other team holded but still fright the a** out of them alone?

Not many of then I can say, its the same with the cvs today. Sure you can play how you want, but this is still a team game, not a stupid retarder alone army game (I wont even say that bad game where everyone runs around and are one-man-army bs).

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 09. 2012 23:29


ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by Gundamx2

i guess there will just be more unexperienced CV players get to a higher tier of CV without the skills that needed to have
just like what a massive exp boost event brings you

personal i'd like to increase the exp.. but yea.... qulity of game play comes 1st 


We're not asking for like 200,000% more xp maybe just enough so we can level up at a decent rate for HELPING OUR TEAM and not just playing selfishly by running BW. The subs got an xp boost so why don't the CVs get one? I get an AVERAGE of 5k xp per win without premium with no attack. If i do manage to get some attack from sinking a sub with PHH i get about 25k each game. recc'd

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 01:03


welshman1

Originally Posted by ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by Gundamx2

i guess there will just be more unexperienced CV players get to a higher tier of CV without the skills that needed to have
just like what a massive exp boost event brings you

personal i'd like to increase the exp.. but yea.... qulity of game play comes 1st 


We're not asking for like 200,000% more xp maybe just enough so we can level up at a decent rate for HELPING OUR TEAM and not just playing selfishly by running BW. The subs got an xp boost so why don't the CVs get one? I get an AVERAGE of 5k xp per win without premium with no attack. If i do manage to get some attack from sinking a sub with PHH i get about 25k each game. recc'd

x2

I cant even play cv if my premium has run out,its too dishearting seeing the xp at the end of game

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 02:12


Bardioc

I always read/hear that CV players are selfish, do no teamplay and its always CVs fault if the team fails.....
And everyone tells this is a teamgame...

The real no.1 CV problem is that they get no support from the other players they have to support.

Yeah there are noobish/selfish CV players. But most of them try to do some teamplay.
There also the hell of a lot selfish BB players who don´t care for teamplay. Only their own attack and xp counts.

In the eyes of an BB player the only players hat really have to do teamplay are the CVs.
They have to scout enemy BBs where enemy AA ships kill their fps.
They have to clear the skies over friendly BBs because they dont use their AA guns.
They have to kill enemy AA/ASW ships by their own.
They have to bomb/torp enemy BB when the own BBs failed.
They have to control 3/4/5/6 squads the same time.
Often they fail, true. But they have to do 5 things the same time.

BB also fail very often and the only thing they have to do is sinking ships and not get sunk.


DO SOME TEAMPLAY..
BBs.
Support your CV and Sub player teammates.
Sink enemy AA/ASW ships as soon they are in range.
Without getting sunk by enemy AA/ASW ships your subs can sink enemy BB and scout for you.
Sinking enemy AA ships also mean you can scout your enemies your own because
your CVs can prevent you from beeing fightercamped. If this does not work because the enemy CV player has fp that are 20 or lvl higher than the fps of your cv... use your AA guns and kill some enemy fp your cv can clean up the rest.
Dont cry for scouting, tell others where to scout. CV players heve to micromanage their squads the whole time, they dont have that much time to watch the minimap.
Dont act like dumb animals, go there where you are needed.
Dont rush forward and leave all your supporters behind, support your supporters when they are under attack.

Subs.

Kill your personal enemies first, kill the AA/ASW ships that can detect you, then go for the BB.

CVs

also help your teammates, if you see that you cant see enemy ships... try to scout em.
If you have a squad of torp bombers close to a group of enemy ships, and one of your subs is moving there.. dont torp the BB with plenty of bulge... sink the ship that can detect/sink that sub.

If you see fightercamped friendly BBs, try to kill the Fps or try to drag them away.
Support your CV mates, if one of them has launched many bombers, try to protect these bombers with your fps.
If you hear "Mayday/mayday we´re going down" trie to find out where and figure out what killed your planes ( AA= raise lower planes / enemy Fp = drag that squad around)

AA ships

don´t kill 4/5 friendly Fps to get a single scout let the fps kill the scout.
Don´t care for friendly FPs when you can kill a squad of enemy bombers.

And last but not least.... communication helps a lot.

"BB (xxx) sub is getting close", or "CV sub in a4 watch out", or "pls scout h7" does help way more than ..  "noob" or "scout" or "f$&$n Cvs"
"Fps in d4 pls need fc" also helps more than "noob CV give fightercover"

If the team fails it is not always CVs fault its also BBs fault or the lack of communication.


Sry for my bad english, my last lesson was about 18 years ago.

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 02:35


Tomm96

Bardioc this is one of my macros: If the CVs fail the BBs fail, if the BBs fail the CVs fail.
The sub really dont need any teamplay if you look on the pure good sub drivers as ozzy, darknight and some more players I dont remember the name on. Still they need help but not as much help as the BB/CVs need.

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 02:39


Etheryte

If you think a BB on the frontline has the time to open up chat and type out "Hey, CV in A4, how's your day been, I hope it's going great so far, so if you have the time, could you please load some planes and send them merrily towards the rushing Italian BB4s that are about to pull scorched earth on our entire north, because would be really dandy of you to do, if you have the time to of course?" then you're mistaken.

It's not an excuse to being impolite, but it does bring me to my next point.

It is frustrating that many carrier players don't have any situational awareness and when asked to scout, politely or not, still reply with "Where?". Starting with the places where we can't see the enemy front line might be a good start, in case you were wondering.

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 07:05


miatamadman

Originally Posted by Etheryte

If you think a BB on the frontline has the time to open up chat and type out "Hey, CV in A4, how's your day been, I hope it's going great so far, so if you have the time, could you please load some planes and send them merrily towards the rushing Italian BB4s that are about to pull scorched earth on our entire north, because would be really dandy of you to do, if you have the time to of course?" then you're mistaken.

It's not an excuse to being impolite, but it does bring me to my next point.

It is frustrating that many carrier players don't have any situational awareness and when asked to scout, politely or not, still reply with "Where?". Starting with the places where we can't see the enemy front line might be a good start, in case you were wondering.



Since I play every type of ship, almost for every nation, I can undestand where you are coming from, I have asked for and gotten no answer, but the truth is, sometimes we see TONS of red dots and yet people are screaming NOOB CV, VISION, etc etc. If I am able to see enemies epsecially BIG ones, then you should too...

I say you, not as a direct attack to you but merely to discuss. Yes if half the map is dark... it goes a long way, but I see fewer and fewer CVs playing with Fighters (mostly bmbers)

The OP is suggesting that to encourage more Fighters and less bombers is by equalizing the XP. By nature the shared exp is whack, we all know, but a small implement boost to CVs would be great. I see it time and again (being a Fighter Whore across servers hehe) and its pretty ludicrous. My Fighters are to low and get stomped on by Locals or someones T5 scout... and they jsut BOMB away... I can do nothing for the team.

Instead with a slight boost, it will reward me for working harder. Rewarding is the best way to generate a certain type of behavior. The truth is being a Fighter Whore, you have to win or nothing. Demanding someone do a LOT and balking isnt good.

Imagine, yes more NOOBS will have higher bombers etc, but they wont know how to control them, then imagine you have on your team the few who can... crisis solved.

Sorry for the novel just so much to discuss hehe. :)

rec'd

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 10:31


devildog8

I agree that exp for CVs is way lower then BBs at the same level, but the credits are alot more then BBs too, are you also in favor of more credits for BBs too?

dont you think that might flood the market?

or do you thing more exp and less credits for CVs would be the right call here? 

  • Re : REAL #1 CV Problem to fix

    07. 10. 2012 11:04


CaptBellamy

Originally Posted by Etheryte

If you think a BB on the frontline has the time to open up chat and type out "Hey, CV in A4, how's your day been, I hope it's going great so far, so if you have the time, could you please load some planes and send them merrily towards the rushing Italian BB4s that are about to pull scorched earth on our entire north, because would be really dandy of you to do, if you have the time to of course?" then you're mistaken.

It's not an excuse to being impolite, but it does bring me to my next point.

It is frustrating that many carrier players don't have any situational awareness and when asked to scout, politely or not, still reply with "Where?". Starting with the places where we can't see the enemy front line might be a good start, in case you were wondering.



just add an extra word, ie: ""scout north", south, middle, back" or something. because CV drivers don't look at the mini map very often and I appreciate it when I get asked for specific help like that because I know that if the BB drivers rush, I'll get a message saying "CVs up" or "forward" or something so I don't get pinned against the back wall by the last two enemy BBs while our 7 are chasing the enemy CVS and asking me to scout while I'm getting shelled at close range.  

I look at the mini map when a non specific request comes and am frequently tempted to send scouts or ftrs to the empty side of the map and that is all too frequently wrong....

I say that becuase the side of the map that's empty is sometimes empty because everything is dead there.   What is being asked for in many cases is scout behind the visible line of red dots because something back there or in the back middle  is ranging our BBs but I don't know that unless I get really lucky and am passing my cursor over that part of the map when a shot is fired and smoke is visible or someone says "scout south"  

it isn't that hard to give a little extra guidance to get what you want otherwise scouts go the wrong place, BBs keep getting killed and I can garuantee you the next response. It goes something like:  "ZOMG>....NOOOB CVS!!!!!! ..GOTZ UZ KLLEEEEDDD..Waaaaaaaaa"   

 I find it funny that BB drivers don't have time to chat but they can certainly find the time to be very mouthy in condemning and blaming CVs for their losses when they want to... but that's another conversation however.

Main point:  A little extra guidance isn't going to sink you but the failure to  provide it might.

 Most CV drivers want to win and help the team as badly as the BB drivers want them to.  I dont know of anyone, this CV driver included, who starts off a battle thinking "gosh I really want to suck eggs and blow my teams chances to win today".... it just doesn't happen yet you'd think that's what every CV driver does based on the invective all too frequently thrown by BB drivers during and after a fight.

Also a few helpful hints about CV play in the forum phrased as helpful and not as demanding would go a long way, especially with new players.  I've seen two new threads requesting CV help and advice just in the last two days.  

 I found out just last week(after my main CV BO hit level 97) that you can ticket your own BBs to be escorted by your fighters and that scouts keep their range of vision even at alt 0 where other planes don't.  I've since taught that almost every battle I'm on as neither CV drivers nor BB players know "what the green crosses mean man?"  

An example of the sort of help I'm talking about what be may a thread in tips and tactics or a thread in each nations section of the forum entitled something like "CV design and tactics suggestions by BB drivers"  and let the BB drivers tell us what you want and share any tips you've got because you'd be surprised (maybe not) at what new players don't know.  

I did something very much like that when I designed my ISE hybrid: 
http://fm.en.kupaisky.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=10347&searchtype=1&pagecount=0&searchvalue=CaptBellamy&sort=5&category=D01&page1=1


Just a thought.

edit: My experiences are with Kaiser server, I cannot speak to the situation in Nebraska server as I'm not on that one.

 

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