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  • Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 11:18

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PictWarrior1

 

Please explain to me why CVs in NF have the ability to use sonar?  Do we no longer start players out in ASW capable ships?  Are we telling them that we have no use for teamwork savvy players who wish to escort capital ships? 

 

A support ticket on this subject told me that because CVs did not have the ability to see submarines when the game started, that they were given sonar to counter the submarine threat.  Well BBs, BCs, and CAs can't see submarines either so when will they be given sonar?  In fact, just remove the need for sonar altogether and allow everyone to see submarines no matter where they are.

 

Never in the history of mankind has sonar ever been successfully implemented on a carrier.  Capital ships make entirely too much self-noise.  If a CV were to be fitted with sonar, the only thing it would hear would be the sound of its own screws and engines.  Nevermind the sound of catapults, aircraft engines and propellers, steam, and arrestor cables and machinery. 

 

The idea of a CV being sonar capable is completely laughable.  And don't give me crap about NF =/= RL.  There has to be some basis in reality or we'd be using rail guns, jets, and satellite superlasers.

 

How am I qualified to argue against CVs using sonar?  I was a Sonar Technician in the United States Navy.  I know exactly how loud a CV is.  We could hear one pulling out of San Diego when our DDG was just leaving Hawaii.  It's no secret.

 

So what big spending, influential CV player cried to the GMs and managed to convince them that the loudest class of warship on the planet is sonar capable?  Because I want to cry to that same GM that my New York should be able to bounce Kaiser shells.  After all, a QV can, why shouldn't  my ebb1?

 

Or, if CVs should continue to use sonar, lets just let everyone use it and remove the lower level ASW ships from the game entirely.  If we are going to remove their purpose, why not remove them entirely?

 

Oh, and for the record:  I don't drive subs so this isn't a long-winded complaint about being sunk by a CV that could see me.

 

This is just an argument for sanity, common sense, and game balance.

 

 

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 12:04


erul_78

+1

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 12:16


myg0t1

+2

recc'd

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 12:28


rnelsonbob

since cv have sonor now a days whats the point of having the escort option...i mean thats what they were for tobegin with  so that the escort was a sonor or AA ship....now cvs dont need it anymore they can just run with a sonorman on the cv and frankly the escort AA just suxs so that option is kinda worthless also

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 12:37


Mouth
NF=\=RL. We don't use rail guns and space ships because this is a WW2 style game. Now, if you want to take away a CVs ability to use sonar, give us a reason why it affects game balance. Here is a couple reasons why I think that CVs should be able to have sonar. 1.)A CV6 has 9 support slots. Most good cv players will tell you that you want to have 8 pilots. That gives you 1 support slot that isn't a pilot. The options for that slot are; seaman, engineer, repairer, sonar man, or medic. I'm ignoring the gun slots because if you are going to use a sonar man you are going to want to have HH. By equipping a sonar man you lose out on the ability to have any of those other sailors. What I'm getting at is that if a CV wants to give up a VERY valuable support slot for a sonar man, then why not? 2.)CVs are high priority targets for submarines. They are also very vulnerable to them if they don't have gunners or if they are slow. 3.)CVs are supposed to be command ships that stay back and direct support where it is needed. Whether it is providing vision, blinding the enemy, or bombing powerful BBs that outclass your own. This is just another way to provide support, which is what a CV is.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 13:03


PictWarrior1

which is why we should be relying on DDs for ASW escort.  BBs are sub targets too, but we don't give them sonar...

 

And I've already stated that I know that NF =/= RL but that doesnt justify being ridiculous.  The CV is the loudest warship on the planet, there is no way in hell that anyone could ever even imagine a CV using sonar.  It's not even feasible.  It's not even dreamable.  It's a complete joke.

 

DDs and FFs are here for a reason, to spot submarines.  If you want to be able to spot submarines with your CV, then pack an escort with sonar on it and carry hh on your CV.  Or ask one of the many smaller ships in every GB to escort you.  Most don't because they are new players and either don't know about this role or they don't know how to do it.

 

Teach them, and let them have a purpose.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 13:19


OjamaPeter

Originally Posted by PictWarrior1

And I've already stated that I know that NF =/= RL but that doesnt justify being ridiculous.  The CV is the loudest warship on the planet, there is no way in hell that anyone could ever even imagine a CV using sonar.  It's not even feasible.  It's not even dreamable.  It's a complete joke.




NF =/= RL

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 13:33


ccreeder
I agree giving cv's sonar ability was just dumb. I mean If they get sonar why doesn't my QV. subs like to hunt me more in a QV which can't fit near as much bulge as a cv6 nor is generally equipped with HH like almost all good cv players are so why should they get an advantage not me. Just remove it from all ships except ff,dd, and cl like it used to be so subs have a chance. Yes they are annoying but let's not break the game anymore by giving completely false things to a certain class of ship. I dont care if NF doesn't equal real life, cvs survived without it before, just equip another aa boat as an escort.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 14:04


Mouth
You've still not said how a CV having sonar is imbalanced. You can't state RL reasons and in the same breath admit that you know NF=\=RL.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 14:45


ccreeder

Originally Posted by Mouth
You've still not said how a CV having sonar is imbalanced. You can't state RL reasons and in the same breath admit that you know NF=\=RL.


its almost impossible to kill a CV with sonar and HH. almost all CVs carry HHs now and max bulge so if you even get lucky enough to get a torp strike in then you are immediately slaughtered as he knows exactly where you are. he is not a DD/CL he should be able to see him. its unfair to a sub player to fight a battle against a ship they have no chance against.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 14:48


Plazmadj

Originally Posted by ccreeder

its unfair to a sub player to fight a battle against a ship they have no chance against.

The irony in that single sentence is amazing!

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