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  • Frigate Z

    10. 21. 2013 20:21

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minertheron

now that all the major nations are done it would be cool if more neutral ships are added im talking a whole tree going to bb,cv,ss 4 and some new premium ships it is possible sometime ill get that whole project ive been working on finished and posted and sprites made so it would be easier to implement. Anyway a smaller get done in the near future idea is adding a frigate Z to go with the X and the Y.

the FF.X is level 22 the Y is 24 and the Z would be level 26 it will have the hull of the frigate y but the mounts will be slightly different it will still have the front R mount followed by the side by side T mounts but then the next R mount will be a T mount the next 2 R mounts are the same and where the 2 side by side t mounts will be another centerline R mount

 

[ SPECIFICATION ]

 Type Frigate(FF)
  Cost *46,000
  Required Level *25
  Durabillity *5,500
  Normal Displacement 984t
  Standard Displacement 1,800t
  Maximum Displacement 2,450t
  Turning Force 32
  Structural Strength 54
  AAW Defence 124
  Overheat Ratio 84%
  Support Sailor Slot 3
[ LOADING CAPACITY ]  
  FCS 25
  Engine 26
  Aircraft Loading Capacity 0
  Number of Aircraft Take Off 0
  Torpedo & Aircraft Weapon Loading Capacity 16
[ ARMAMENT ]
  R-Mount 46 / 46 / 46 / 46
  T-Mount 24 / 24 / 24

 

well let me know how you feel about this idea i would love to see it in the game 

 

 *edited

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price, level, durabillity

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  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 22. 2013 05:52


normpearii

Every ship in the game except for the BB6s and the Baram Monstership are based on paper plans of actual and planned ships from the 1890s through past the Korean War.



Unless you can find an actual frigate's design plan with that gun arrangement, don't count on it happening. 



Ship price affects tactical value of the ship. Your price is way too high for a frigate. 

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 22. 2013 15:46


TG_Salihreis

I have a CL proposal for Neutral "nation" here: http://fm.en.kupaisky.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=15198

 

minertheron your proposal sounds nice and I really support the idea, but we have to work on these numbers.

What you are suggesting is, in all aspects way stronger than all neutral DDs. It is also superior to national DD1's in many ways. This conflicts with the balance principle. We need to trim some of the numbers to a reasonable level.

R-slots should not go higher than 38, I suggest 36 or 38 for R slots.

T-slots should be 22, not 24, thats the space for triple launchers, the best (and largest) launcher neutral nation has.

Cost, should be higher than 42k (FF-Y) and lower then 50k. I recommend 44,600

Durability / DP should be lower than 5600 (DD 01), I recommend 5350

Level, should be 25, the highest level for a neutral sailor to choose a nation.

Please make a diagram of gun layout.


RECC'd BTW


PS. I highly doubt if we will get any ship past CL for neutral nation. Light cruisers seems like the conceptual limit, in my view.  I would love any help with my neutral CL Aurora work, posted right here: http://fm.en.kupaisky.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?num=15198

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 22. 2013 20:13


minertheron

Originally Posted by normpearii

Every ship in the game except for the BB6s and the Baram Monstership are based on paper plans of actual and planned ships from the 1890s through past the Korean War.



Unless you can find an actual frigate's design plan with that gun arrangement, don't count on it happening. 



Ship price affects tactical value of the ship. Your price is way too high for a frigate. 

 

in response to your first point what about the frigate x and y? and there is a couple other exceptions

in response to your second point there is also exceptions in the game like the bayern cl

and it technically is the same arrangement as the y the back 2 mounts are turned into a single r mout and the second r mount becomes a t mount

in response to your third point that can be changed easily what would you say would be a better price like 46,000 like salihreis suggested

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salihreis

ive seen it there is a dozen better cl designs that could be used no offense but there isnt any cl class guns for it to use so that design would be pretty ineffective

i have to stick to the R slots having that much space so it can use any of the guns with an effeicent amount of ammo same with the T slots this allows them to use any nations lvl 12 torpedo launchers

i do see that the price needs to be lower and ya 46,000 would be good

durabillity could also be lowered to 5400-5500

lowering it to 25 sounds like a good idea too

how bout this

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and ya i highly doubt a full ship tree will ever be added but it is possible like i said to take it to bb,cv,ss 4

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 23. 2013 12:05


TG_Salihreis

Originally Posted by minertheron

i have to stick to the R slots having that much space so it can use any of the guns with an effeicent amount of ammo

In principle, FFs are not supposed to carry larger guns with an unlimited supply of ammo.

R Slots with a size of 38 is enough to fit best single/dual neutral guns with enough ammo.

1) For 6"/45 cal Mark XIII or 6"/53 cal Mark 13 (Best singles for neuts)

    You can fit 5 of 6 variants of existing 6" neutral singles with 2 binds of ammo,
    (100 shells per turret/barrel)

2) For the 4.7"/45 cal Marks XXX A (Best dual for neuts)

    You can load 3 binds of ammo (150 shells per turret, 75 per barrel)  


Please, carry your comment and criticism about my neut CL proposal to relevant topic so we can discuss it.

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 26. 2013 06:10


normpearii

The Bayern and the other PCLs are actually Early BBs (From WWI and previous) with CA caliber guns put on them.



The Frigate X and Frigate Y are both unnamed US Frigate paper planned ships that were never made. 


The DDX is a USN Planned paper ships, the actual plan, like the FF X and Y, carried a different name, and all 3 slip my mind at the present. 

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 26. 2013 06:12


normpearii

Originally Posted by TG_Salihreis

Please, carry your comment and criticism about my neut CL proposal to relevant topic so we can discuss it.



Advertising your suggesting in another thread is against forum rules, as well as requesting recs in for your suggestion in another suggestion, so how about you remove that? As that has no relevance to this Frigate and both fall under the thread hijacking clause.

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 26. 2013 14:08


TG_Salihreis

Originally Posted by normpearii
Advertising your suggesting in another thread is against forum rules, as well as requesting recs in for your suggestion in another suggestion, so how about you remove that? As that has no relevance to this Frigate and both fall under the thread hijacking clause.

Criticism about another post, in a different topic. I'm trying to get things seperated and on track.

Originally Posted by minertheron
ive seen it there is a dozen better cl designs (...)

 

 

  • Re : Frigate Z

    10. 26. 2013 14:35


normpearii

Originally Posted by TG_Salihreis

Originally Posted by normpearii
Advertising your suggesting in another thread is against forum rules, as well as requesting recs in for your suggestion in another suggestion, so how about you remove that? As that has no relevance to this Frigate and both fall under the thread hijacking clause.

Criticism about another post, in a different topic. I'm trying to get things seperated and on track.

Originally Posted by minertheron
ive seen it there is a dozen better cl designs (...)

 

 



No, you first attempted to hijack this thread, then tried to make it seam like someone else was a fault for mentioning something you hijacked into the discussion in the first place.

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