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  • Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 09:21


RedNemo
Well maybe not tommorow.

But some days ago the CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research (French: Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire) near Geneva came out with a stunning and world blasting announcement.

During their experiments with neutrinos throuht the terrestrial mantle (link: https://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Spotlight/SpotlightCNGS-en.html ) a team of scientist discovered that:

Neutrinos are faster than light, not by much but they are.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

Well actually that could be one of the greatest discoveries of this century, and will certainly blow some mind if verified.

In other words there are no more physical caps to the speed of the KM subs ^^

Maybe, just maybe if we dont push the big red button of autodestruction we might actually use for something of this fact.

 

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 09:33


CabaL90
oh shnap xD

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 09:56


Sindher
We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar.

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 11:32


masc24
This is the second time something like this is discovered. Several years ago FermiLab got a similar result, but their experiment was flawed and had a huge margin of error so it was proved invalid. I imagine alot of people are going to jump the gun to invalidate this since its in conflict with relativity. But what are the odds of two different experiments yielding similar results? Relativity is just a theory after all.

In any case, this has nothing to do with warp speed or wormholes, if it holds, it just means we have to go back to the drawing boards and come up with something new. As far as technological applications of this... I remind you its neutrinos we are talking about.

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 14:39


Eradicator1
I don't understand how something that passes through matter would help move matter...

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 21:20


Stormvanger
They did what good scientists did. They checked, rechecked, and triple checked, and now they're asking others to recreate the experiment to confirm it.

Personally I think it will be another false positive, right up there with the whole Cold Fusion announcement. But I hope there's something to it. A new branch of physics and a major rewrite of relativity would seriously shake up science as we know it.

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 21:41


aingeal
Einstein got pwned?

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 21:51


LILITALY5179
Science is all about trial and error. Something is accepted so long as there is nothing to prove otherwise. For example, look at how many different models of the atom they went through before the model we currently accept as the "correct" model.

That is the beauty of science. People want others to try to prove them wrong. It helps you find holes or flaws in your theories or data. It is all about improving on what the last guy did.

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 21:51


Stormvanger
Originally Posted by aingeal

Einstein got pwned?


That's okay, he got proved totally right earlier this year when the Gravity Probe B experiment confirmed frame dragging. The man's still got a wickedly high batting average decades after his death!

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 25. 2011 23:11


SK_Bismarck
Neutrino!
Knock, knock.
Who's there?

  • Re : Warp Speed, here we come

    09. 26. 2011 00:08


RedNemo
Originally Posted by masc24

This is the second time something like this is discovered. Several years ago FermiLab got a similar result, but their experiment was flawed and had a huge margin of error so it was proved invalid. I imagine alot of people are going to jump the gun to invalidate this since its in conflict with relativity. But what are the odds of two different experiments yielding similar results? Relativity is just a theory after all.


Actually Fermilab is upgrading his protocols and instrumentation to make the doublecheck of the case

Originally Posted by masc24

In any case, this has nothing to do with warp speed or wormholes, if it holds, it just means we have to go back to the drawing boards and come up with something new. As far as technological applications of this... I remind you its neutrinos we are talking about.


Eheheh I know, it just that the title was too tempting.

But if you prove that light speed is not the limit of speed itself you destroy one of the bases of the modern physics, you cant go faster than light.
Its like to prove that heavier tha air can flight. No practical use, but a lot of ideas will born from that.

Originally Posted by Eradicator1

I don't understand how something that passes through matter would help move matter...


Its only a scale problem, and its not necesarly matter that have to be moved, actually i am thinking of some kind of communication system which can use that fact.
In a long future, this could permit to have a real time solar system internet.
Instead of having to wait 5 hours that the light speed signal reach the people across the solar system.

Originally Posted by Stormvanger

Personally I think it will be another false positive, right up there with the whole Cold Fusion announcement. But I hope there's something to it. A new branch of physics and a major rewrite of relativity would seriously shake up science as we know it.


Actually it can be, but this time is not a couple of guys burried in a hole who made that discovery (wait, in fact it is ^^ but they are 160 scientist and more assistants in one of the major nuclear research labs in the world).
This experiment is about 10 years old, they checked, counter checked and now are asking for someone to confirm. This experiment for himself is nothing, it serves only the purpose to demonstrate that light speed is breachable.

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