Originally Posted by Bart133
DCs are pretty much useless against subs that aren't dumb, it's true. Although there are enough dumb subs to make them not suck too much.
Problem with this is mostly that 4 seconds is already cutting it close in terms of getting out of splash range. With half-damage DCs that go off in 2 seconds, it'll be close to impossible to avoid damaging yourself with them.
Whats up with all these complaints about DCs? Not effective? Don't kill good sub drivers? Too strong.... too slow.... I don't get it.
I cut my teeth in this game with DCs. My first 2 BOs got leveled 1/2 in blitz and the other 1/2 in GB doing ASW almost exclusively with DCs. I've been head to head with some fantastic SS drivers like michael, Hamman, Ultradog, starluck, tenous to name a few. Yea, sometimes those guys beat me but quite a few times I beat them too.... with DCs, not HH. The best part about using DCs is that not only is it free (as opposed to PHH). It is the one aspect of the game that is fairly close to the strategy of real WW2 combat.
1) Real DDs/ CLs needed to get over the ship without getting hit by a "down the throat shot by SS"
2) They had the dump the DC close to the SS
3) To get into position to drop and then get away from the blast, they had to go at max speed (OH)
4) While at max speed, they couldn't use sonar due to noise of their own screws and had to use other ships to track the SS.
SO, as you can see, if you do what the real DDs did, you can easily kill SS with DC. I can kill L70s SS with L27 DDs. To kill the best ones, you got to have a darn good crew. I would say that most likely, as would be SS killers you are making some mistakes
1) Not using OH at the right time
2) Not able to ID subs that have both front and rear tubes
3) Approaching subs at bad angle
4) "Telegraphing" intention to use DC
5) Not using second ship for sonar help
6) Using low level crew
7) Using improper crew
8) Using wrong ship
9) Not properly setting up ship
10) Short changing ASW setup for other things (like too much AA or surface guns)
11) Using ship that does not have good normal speed (not OH speed)
I make exception to this that some of the SS5s have some darn good drivers and can take one heck of a beating. To kill them takes more than just a casual DD2 with whatever for a crew and setup. After all there is no difference between attacking an SS5 or a BB5 and is rather arrogant that one should think they can easily win.
If anyone posting here is really struggling with how to employ DCs just send me a PM and I'd be happy to work with you. Bottom line, there is nothing wrong with the DCs.
