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  • Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 10:56


Rehor

https://navyfield.com/Community/Forum/View.aspx?category=Z01&num=14205

The following you may take as the official statement from the test team unless somebody calls me off.  This comes from the point of view of the person who wrote 90-95% of the patch requests over the last thirty days.

Here are the tiers and levels of all the Event BB's and CV's, new and old:



MN has no EBB2 due to the BB2 hulls given us to work with and the extremely good MN EBB guns (originally for Danton).  RN and IJN have no EBB5 because SDE did not patch those hulls, period.

The rest of this thread has to do with a bit of clarification on the patch notes put out late last night.

In most areas, normal ships were not on the table for us to modify.  Only when EBB/ECV balance forced or allowed it did we change any stock ships or guns.

The Sovietsky Soyuz and Vittorio Veneto costs have always been too low.  They were both bumped over 4 million to put them in line with the other BB5's.

The Yorktown was given an increase to its R-slots in order to carry hedgehogs, and this change was reflected on the Enterprise.  The ECV Victorious underwent a similar change.

The H-39 and H-44 as well as the Stalingrad and Sovietsky Soyuz had changes made to their R-slot values in order to perfect guns and binds designed for EBB's (keep reading).  These alterations do not affect the number of binds able to be carried on any of these ships.

All EBB's and ECV's had their levels examined and costs changed for no reason other than tactical value in Normal Rooms.  In the past, they had all been extremely low.  This was also noted and corrected on the PCV's.

A couple ships had their tiers changed for various reasons.  The O-Project II 1942 has become an EBB4 to more appropriately fit the progression in support slots of the KM line.  As we made this change, we felt it needed a bit more than the KM BB3 guns it currently has, good though they are.  The H-39 N's were improved slightly and are designed to be a solid option on the KM EBB4.  The Bismarck 1943, as the EBB3, has the ability to carry the triple 14.96" guns and is clearly the anti-KM brawler.

Also having its tier changed was the Hyuga.  Many things were considered in working with the IJN EBB's and the lack of sufficient variety in IJN guns made it apparent that the Mutsu could not be made good enough at a tier higher than the Hyuga.  The Hyuga is now the EBB4 with all the punch it has ever had, though a tiny bit slower.  The Mutsu, like the KM EBB3, is a hard-hitter with a buffed FCS space for good spread.

As stated above, we had few chances to tweak any guns, but there was one that worked out perfectly.  The SN had a second set of BB4 guns intentionally broken long ago.  We grabbed these and made them to only fit on the Kronshtadt 1940 and higher level ships.  They have the same shells as the other SN BB3's but now have a true Soviet trait with the range of a Bismarck.

One thing not listed here that had been requested (and appears to have been patched on the Test Server) was a buff to the Hood dual 15".  As they are really only usable on the stock Hood and EBB's Valiant and Hood 1939, we sought an improvement to the spread to compensate for the incredible spacing between turrets on the Hood(s).  We felt this was a far more useful solution than giving the RN EBB4 a better FCS when so many other gun options are available for the ship.

Again, if you look at the gun data adjustment list, you will notice KM and SN BB4/5 guns there.  They were value changes only and reflect the ability to carry the proper number of binds on the ship.

All EBB guns were made to cost the same, as one was free and one was over 500% what most of the rest were.

Now, unfortunately, there are a few things in the patch notes that I cannot explain, nor can anybody else on the test team at this time.  Specifically curious, but not troubling, is the Rental Richelieu "gun control" change.  I am almost certain of what this change is (placement of R/T-slots) and it likely would have been requested in the future, but it was not in any of the requests we made during the EBB/ECV project.

Furthermore, the RM gun angle changes, though likely necessary, have not been tested and are not the work of the test team.  We will be pushing to get those changes undone as soon as possible, at least until they can be properly examined.

And finally, the P24 turning force change is absolutely not our doing.  BB6 work is a future project and we made zero changes to them in this testing session.  We will also be seeking to hold back this change.

As best I can, I will answer any reasonable questions pertaining to EBB's and ECV's and the work we have done on them.  This is not a thread to slam SDE.  Please keep your rants in other threads and this one can be kept for facts and the people who desire them.

 

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:00


Barez79

Any changes in fcs, speed or number of bind at US ?

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:02


Rehor

Originally Posted by Barez79

Any changes in fcs, speed or number of bind at US ?

Indiana should be going 44 with 120 crew (North Carolina L).  Missouri gets a fifth bind.

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:06


Barez79

thx rehor, now i am not much more intelligent and doesnt know what i want to pick ...

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:23


McTass

thank you rehor
Now it will be difficult to choose between bissy 43 or H41 :/
EBB3 Bissy 43 is a major step up over BB3 with 4x OproII guns, like the EBB2 gnei 43 that can put bissy guns or the EBB4 that will get new guns.
EBB5 H41 instead will not receive the same buff, over BB4, but just for the nice camouflage is worth having it.
maybe i' ll just leave the decision to a dice

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:32


Zyzzo

Thanks Rehor and thanks test team for the work!
now i want the same topic from the ninja test team...

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:34


NIborGER

Here a list of what are the major differences between the stock ships and the event ones:


Had a look at all new EBBs as they are on the testserver right now.

USN:
EBB4: South dakota with North Carolina guns going 26/44 knots +1turning force and BB4 crew slots
EBB5: A iowa going 24/40 knots with BB5 crew slots

UK:
EBB4: A Hood going 26/44 but 1 less turning force and same supportslots as Vanny/L1

IJN:
EBB3: A Nagato going 23/39 with better FCS and BB4 supportslots
(EBB4: will be Hyuga (Ise) now lvl 86 and i think increased(nerfed) APHC)

KM:
EBB3: Bismarck with OPro2 tripple L guns going 23/39 and BB4 supportslots
EBB4: OPro2 with improved H39 N guns (have bissy or a bit more range) going 26/44 and BB5 supportslots
EBB5: H39 going 25/42 (with aa 24/40) and BB5 supportslots

MN:
EBB2: Lorriane with 12inch ebb guns going 27/45 and BB4 crew slots
EBB4: Strass with a better FCS but slower and -1 turning force and BB4 crew slots
EBB5: Richelieu going 26/44 and BB5 crewslots

SN:
EBB2: Gangut using Izmali guns(14inch trip 30degrees), +1 turning force and with BB4 crew slots
EBB3: Izmali using IM guns, +1 turning force and with bb4 crew slots
EBB4: Kronstadt using the old BB4 12inch trips going 25/42, +1 turning force and BB4 crew slots

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:39


kmr44

Rehor, can u put full table with all data of new EBB/ECV?Best would be table with new EBB compared to mothership - but maybe i am asking too much.

Anyway, if new EBB will be fail we know who to blame :P.

Thx in advance.

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 12:58


Rehor

Here we have the problem with a public forum.

Anyway, I have placed a link to a datasheet for EBB's in the first reply.

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 13:25


KingCong

in the past when the alsace price was changed, the ships were automatically sold. I assume the same will happen with teh VV and SS?

  • Re : Concerning EBB / ECV

    01. 09. 2013 13:28


Rehor

Originally Posted by KingCong

in the past when the alsace price was changed, the ships were automatically sold. I assume the same will happen with teh VV and SS?

That's a good point, but nothing was said.  I can't really comment.

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