Don't comment if you are such a fail at reading you can't (or don't want to) understand the meaning of a post. I'm not bothering re-writing it or explaining it, as I'm sure most people understood what I meant in the last part of it.


You know nothing about logic, dont try to follow mine, you'll burn your brain cells.

You also know nothing about me, and personnal attacks on someone you do not know are kinda pitiful.

You also know nothing about constructivism, so I won't bother arguing with a brick wall there.


For the record, I'd like to point out you started the flaming while my post was asking for people to clarify their suggestions.

someone who blindly recommend any buff they can for their class cannot understand my motivations I guess.

That... made my day. :D

This made me fall out of my chair laughing xD

Stop trolling and add to the discussion please :)
You are attacking his post, not his ideas.

I don't see why I'd "add" anything, since the questions I asked on the first pages weren't answered.

You quoted it yourself btw.



For the rest, no matter what you can tell leaderwolf, he ignores it, tells you are "non-book" and go on a "in RL..." rant.

I want a discussion, I want people to debate their ideas, not just throw random sentence that contain an half-tought somewhere in it.

Sub balance is probably going to be the biggest challenge balance-wise NF has ever seen, as the class partly rest on a RPS balance (ASW>Sub>BB)

We don't need people posting non-sense here, believe me. If you want content, go check the sub topics on test forum server. I,ve posted plenty there. I'm growing tired of posting again and again the same things over and over.


As far as leaderwolf goes, I,ve grown tired of him just figuring he has the ultimate truth. We don't need that type of people in the discussion.


In fact, your 2 post are much closer to trolling than mine.

see rather:



Totally adding to the discussion are you?



My ideas are on the side of making subs main weapon being stealth, and that a good sub player would be in fact the player that nobody ever see coming, not the one with crazy OH, smokes and a planesman that refill 2 min of air in 10 sec (duration of a smoke strangely). Changing them, rather than just applying an overall nerf-bat to the current boring playstyle.

I can't say I remember you actively participating to those discussions.

But this topic so far is a grocery list of buff that people would like for no other reason than "I want my ship to be ultimate pwnzer weapon!"

Air buff. Alright. how do you see this applying in game? Taking into account the current imbalance, how would you introduce it so it doesnt make it worse, but also makes it fun?

Anyone who read what I wrote before knows I am actually for such a buff. A significant one too. I am also however asking for surface fire vulnerability, and slower speeds. Feel free to go check my post in the test server sub discussion, around page 15. (AND NO THIS ISNT A BUFF RECC FOR THIS THREAD)

(leaving this there, he deleted his post and reposted after me)




They are the best BBs just as the SS4 (or soon 5) are the best SS.

There is no relation to be seen there, especially since BB6s are end-game ships.

We are talking far more than only subs when we are thinking about balancing them. We have that RPS (rock/paper/scissor) to take into account, without overexagerating it.

So we have to balance SS vs BBs, SS vs SS, SS vs ASW so all of them are fun.

If you really wish to see an improvement, broaden your horizons, and look past your own ships like most of us do.

I'm openly specialized in BB, yet I do not hold a BB exclusive agenda. You would know this if you bothered to read people's post carefully. You would also know why I'm annoyed with your attitude. I,ve said it clearly quite a few times.