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  • Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 15. 2012 19:35

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fatmanrocks

Hi guys. I don't know about you, but I hate to see a game of blitz ruined by a farming battleship.

Just today a BB came and got 80,000 damage. That BB farmed all the enemy CA's and CL's. I've seen a lot of bb's that should clearly be playing GB1 sticking back to farm in blitz. In fact, almost half the blitz games I've played have a BB that farms smaller ships. I propose that we ban all BB's from the blitzkrieg game mode. It would allow teams to be more evenly balanced and keep BB's from farming low level players.

 

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 09:41


vadarrog

BBs are really easy to kill in Blitz because really thats the only place where they can get a decent amount of exp and have a little fun. The only BBs i would really worry about is AW Renown and Revenge because of UKs insanely awesome/ expensive armor. Most BB1s will have horrible spread the only ships i would truly worry about is also the EBB1s and 2s and PCAs and PCLs minus the dhonburi. I could easily kill BB1s with my block shotting mogami and myoko and there all plenty of other ships that can do so. The only reason why your complaining is because your not using the right ships with the right setup and if you learn how to use manual aiming wich takes you a few days plus a bit of adjusting as you lvl it will be much easier. It isn't fun at all being a BB1 in GB1 or 2 cause you'll easily get one shotted or get hit by a shot that ruins your day because of all the UK BB3+, IJN BB3+, basically every BB thats above BB3 and CVs. When you get in that position you'll understand.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 10:20


Bart133

Originally Posted by vadarrog

BBs are really easy to kill in Blitz because really thats the only place where they can get a decent amount of exp and have a little fun. The only BBs i would really worry about is AW Renown and Revenge because of UKs insanely awesome/ expensive armor. Most BB1s will have horrible spread the only ships i would truly worry about is also the EBB1s and 2s and PCAs and PCLs minus the dhonburi. I could easily kill BB1s with my block shotting mogami and myoko and there all plenty of other ships that can do so. The only reason why your complaining is because your not using the right ships with the right setup and if you learn how to use manual aiming wich takes you a few days plus a bit of adjusting as you lvl it will be much easier. It isn't fun at all being a BB1 in GB1 or 2 cause you'll easily get one shotted or get hit by a shot that ruins your day because of all the UK BB3+, IJN BB3+, basically every BB thats above BB3 and CVs. When you get in that position you'll understand.

Most BBs are really easy to kill in blitz. The ones that aren't are the only ones that matter.

No EBBs in blitz, and the only reason PCAs are any more dangerous is that they're more likely to have bought crew. PCLs are annoying, but rarely that much of a problem unless they're mods using mod crews.

I use manual aiming on 'the right ships' with 'the right setup' and I'm complaining. The BBs that spent a lot of their money on crew (or are mods) are nearly impossible to sink, especially without a CV.

 

BB1 in GB is more fun than farmer BB1 in blitz unless you're trying to compensate for something. Especially if you have blitz farmer crew.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 14:39


fatmanrocks

Originally Posted by vadarrog

BBs are really easy to kill in Blitz because really thats the only place where they can get a decent amount of exp and have a little fun. The only BBs i would really worry about is AW Renown and Revenge because of UKs insanely awesome/ expensive armor. Most BB1s will have horrible spread the only ships i would truly worry about is also the EBB1s and 2s and PCAs and PCLs minus the dhonburi. I could easily kill BB1s with my block shotting mogami and myoko and there all plenty of other ships that can do so. The only reason why your complaining is because your not using the right ships with the right setup and if you learn how to use manual aiming wich takes you a few days plus a bit of adjusting as you lvl it will be much easier. It isn't fun at all being a BB1 in GB1 or 2 cause you'll easily get one shotted or get hit by a shot that ruins your day because of all the UK BB3+, IJN BB3+, basically every BB thats above BB3 and CVs. When you get in that position you'll understand.

Vadarrog please don't assume I don't know how to play because I'm complaining. I have a BB5, CV, and SS4 crew on NFEU (the European Navyfield). I know how to use manual aim. I know how to play. I've played BB1 in great battle mode and it's very easy if you know how to shoot. Any BB can do serious damage in any game mode.

Playing with a BB1 and a full BVE crew in blitz is ridiculous. That's the only reason I'm here writing this in the first place. People are abusing blitzkreig and the players there. Most BB's aren't a problem, but a few are. Someone here earlier said we should limit SD instead, and I think that would actually be a better idea than banning BB's alltogether. If we limit SD to around 500-600 for BB's in blitz, it would ensure that no BB's are extrememly overpowered. That would fix a majority of the problems without kicking out regular skilled BB's.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 15:19


DeadEye1989

Ah how I miss my sn BB1 crew, Best AW ship for blitz with no R guns and the SD-2 guns on the T slots. Was practically unstoppable with 50-80k rounds on average. with a non-bve crew as well. Might do another crew just to have that fun again for a few levels

 

Anyways, BB1's only get to be top dog for a few levels. And a PCA with a BVE crew is far more deadly then a BB in most cases, (Especially the mandel) But in hobbit war the BB advantage of range is practically negated, swarming them or doing torpedo runs on them isn't as hard as it would be on a normal map like NWO or especially Blue Ocean.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 15:44


ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by leblitzkrieg

Agreed, but not recc'd yet.

 

BBs with good crews are ridiculously overpowered in blitz. BB1s with at level non-BVE crews aren't, but it's dumb to base everything on the assumption that people won't be using BVE crews. Plenty of people do, and that's not even to mention mods.

 

If nothing else, banning BBs/PCAs would limit the abuse of mod crews - although that's absolutely something TNF should take care of themselves instead.

 

Sure, with no BB/PCA blockshot yorks would farm blitz, but a blockshot york is infinitely easier to sink than a 900SD AW blockshot revenge.

 

 

And to be honest, I'd rather play BB1 in GB than in blitz - no matter the crew.

With non-uber crew, blitz BB1 is worse than CA, slow, boring and the autostack overcompensates for you, but in GB you get mostly ignored.

With uber crew, blitz BB1 is a lame easymode farmer ship that's still boring and repetitive, whereas GB is an actual challenge that might require some level of skill.



"900SD AW blockshot revenge." Ummmm.... Since when can someone have 900 SD below level 61? and also blockshot in a revenge unless they have 8" guns?

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 15:48


ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by fatmanrocks

I know many BB's are easy to kill. But I'm not talking about those. I'm refering to the bb's that have overpowered gunners (probably loaded with vets). The BB's that 1 shot half the enemy team. It's ridiculous. They should be on GB1. Many BB1's are bad, have a horrible spread, and are just awful. But a few have been on recently with almost a perfect spread and a very fast reload. 

I've played BB1. They're ships meant for Great Battle, not for blitz. They don't belong in blitz and if they won't be barred from blitz, they should at least have exp reduced to keep people from playing there. Blitz is supposed to allow lower level ships a chance to level up and prepare for GB. It's not meant to be a farming ground for BB's.

 

(to king kong)

BB are the most overpowered ships in blitz. No other ship can 1-shot you. Torps can be avoided, if you pay close attention to the Kita's or other torping ships. Most CV's are very bad, or can be outmanuevered. PCA's take a while to kill you or do serious damage.  BB's however, can literally destroy the entire enemy team without ever getting into the range of the enemy. I just saw it happen a few games in a row with different BB's and that's why I'm bringing up this point. 

 



Kita launching 50 torps in that small torp death trap is bound to sink a very large portion of a team. Not one single BB1 can ever blockshot or have super-quick reload unless he has CA guns and around lvl 60 gunners which those BB players they are usually a couple of hours from being kicked outta blitz. And i've seen 2 lvl 12 RM DD's swarm a revenge and sink him when the revenge was at full DP.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 18:05


Bart133

Originally Posted by ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by leblitzkrieg

Agreed, but not recc'd yet.

 

BBs with good crews are ridiculously overpowered in blitz. BB1s with at level non-BVE crews aren't, but it's dumb to base everything on the assumption that people won't be using BVE crews. Plenty of people do, and that's not even to mention mods.

 

If nothing else, banning BBs/PCAs would limit the abuse of mod crews - although that's absolutely something TNF should take care of themselves instead.

 

Sure, with no BB/PCA blockshot yorks would farm blitz, but a blockshot york is infinitely easier to sink than a 900SD AW blockshot revenge.

 

 

And to be honest, I'd rather play BB1 in GB than in blitz - no matter the crew.

With non-uber crew, blitz BB1 is worse than CA, slow, boring and the autostack overcompensates for you, but in GB you get mostly ignored.

With uber crew, blitz BB1 is a lame easymode farmer ship that's still boring and repetitive, whereas GB is an actual challenge that might require some level of skill.



"900SD AW blockshot revenge." Ummmm.... Since when can someone have 900 SD below level 61? and also blockshot in a revenge unless they have 8" guns?



Mod crews can have 900 SD, as can supervetted UK/MN crews.

And a 900 SD AW blockshotting 8" revenge is no less overpowered on hobbit. Can't run on the small map.

Originally Posted by ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by fatmanrocks

I know many BB's are easy to kill. But I'm not talking about those. I'm refering to the bb's that have overpowered gunners (probably loaded with vets). The BB's that 1 shot half the enemy team. It's ridiculous. They should be on GB1. Many BB1's are bad, have a horrible spread, and are just awful. But a few have been on recently with almost a perfect spread and a very fast reload. 

I've played BB1. They're ships meant for Great Battle, not for blitz. They don't belong in blitz and if they won't be barred from blitz, they should at least have exp reduced to keep people from playing there. Blitz is supposed to allow lower level ships a chance to level up and prepare for GB. It's not meant to be a farming ground for BB's.

 

(to king kong)

BB are the most overpowered ships in blitz. No other ship can 1-shot you. Torps can be avoided, if you pay close attention to the Kita's or other torping ships. Most CV's are very bad, or can be outmanuevered. PCA's take a while to kill you or do serious damage.  BB's however, can literally destroy the entire enemy team without ever getting into the range of the enemy. I just saw it happen a few games in a row with different BB's and that's why I'm bringing up this point. 

 



Kita launching 50 torps in that small torp death trap is bound to sink a very large portion of a team. Not one single BB1 can ever blockshot or have super-quick reload unless he has CA guns and around lvl 60 gunners which those BB players they are usually a couple of hours from being kicked outta blitz. And i've seen 2 lvl 12 RM DD's swarm a revenge and sink him when the revenge was at full DP.

EBVE BB1 is far harder to negate than kita. Like impossible, whereas kita torps aren't hard to dodge.

The revenge that died to RM DDs wasn't EBVE 900 SD.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 19:43


jubdub1

Oh look, it's Bart the Fart with another one of his stupid flaming ideas!

This will never work. BB1's transition from Blitz to GB is quick, so there's nothing to worry about. Besides, most of the BBs I've seen are only packing 30 vets per gunner so even ME in an FF gets more attack. PCAs most of the time are more powerful. I saw this idiot who must've bought 700 experts for each gunner and then farmed blitz with his ridiculously fast (3-5s) and ridiculously accurate guns.

Once again, Bart makes another few posts complaining about how his skill level isn't high enough to handle the occasional farming BB that wanders into his battle room, and therefore that means that every ship that's better than him must be banned. With him as a developer, Blitz would deteriorate into a CL and below game.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 20:16


Bart133

loljubdub1

lolfleet

 

"They level to GB quick" means nothing, because a ship that's gamebreakingly overpowered is still overpowered, even if you can only use it for one game.

"Most of them don't have EBVE crew" means nothing, because the only BBs that matter are the ones that do.

PCAs are only more powerful because they're more likely to have EBVE crews. And even then, there's a legitimate argument for banning PCAs from blitz.

  • Re : Ban BB's from Blitz

    04. 16. 2012 22:26


CNR4806

You do realize that unless you ban all the ships down to FF-01M1, there will always be an "overpowered" ship?

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