Obst went and messed this ship up and some of the other UK line ships then decided to jump ship while German ships got he best deal of course Obst was German he had every intention of screwing UK line up and made a point long before the ONF was ever setup that UK were too overpowered.

Not sure how many posting here a new to the Vanny I've been playing NF since the beta days must be getting on 6 years now although not played for ages now.

Pre vanny for those that didn't ever get the chance to play it fantastic ship bb 3.5 the only let down then was the range.

Play Vanny on the line dont follow the rest of the fleet in but stay as close as possible. hold back from ships that can get in range and only attack them when you know other ships on your team are close and you can pull back with OH but only use enough OH to pull away and take it off so that its not all used.

play the prey game move in shoot move out. the range is not too bad but the turning force is crap you need room to move and dont rush in OH as you can't turn fast enough to pull back out unless you know you can take on the ship or at least have someone in support.

The RP12 guns are the best the rest are fun guns the 16L and the quads....they hit hard but dont expect to live long enough to get any benefit out of them unless you have a good team because the range is much shorter.

Anybody got an idea of Vanguard's range vs. H39?

H39 outranges L1 quite a bit, but Vanguard has more range than L1.

Vanny is a sweet ship! one of my fav in the game. The people that think Uk is a hard line ... well i am really confused. One of the best nations for BB`s. Just need to learn what your ship can and can`t do.

Alot of people say to play defensive but I find that usualy gets me killed. I guess i should start by saying that i run the long range duel guns. I have seen some people do really well with the shorter range tripples but i am a range guy so i can't comment much on that.

The 30 angel will get you killed when running as there is very little time for the shell to actualy land on the target. Think Iowa and yam for run game play as the gang time gives them an extra 1/2 inch when running. You will not get that with the vanny. So defensive play is usualy not how i would go for this ship.

The strengh of your ship is your 30 angel guns. This will allow you to take out bb4-bb5's in 1 v 1 battles. This ship is not a L1 you can not take on more then 2 at a time and frankly 2 will be hard. BB5's are more of the challange as you need to get in range but once you do you ride the sucker down.

So bassic game play for me would be looking for shadows and finding targets that are away from the pack. You need to watch that you don't rush them to much or you will get in range of other bb's. If you haven't learned how to sling shot you will want to practice that.

Sling shot basics if you point your ship just a bit toward your enemy then fire frount guns you will get a little bit more range. You will then want to cut out like click back toward the cv's this will swing around your back end giving your back guns a fair bit of extra range. This allows your follow up shot to hit after "most" BB's move away.

With this learned you can also rush the enemy as the 30's don't have much hang time you don't need to wait as long to start shooting on the ships. I would then alternate shooting font gun strait in on the BB then turn south or north and shoot your rear gun. Then turn strait back into the enemy ship. Doing this allows you to keep up if not outrun a ship running away from you. The front guns will hit the middle of the ship and your back guns will just hit his ass.

I don't know if this helps but there is something to try. If you cant figure out front gun back gun shooting you will probobly do bad in the vanny. The 30's give you a huge advantage when attacking the target so when you find a 1 v 1 fight be aggressive. Rememeber to dodge. You have the same range as Iowa and you outrange the L1. The L1 is about the only ship i would suggest you probobly play defensive with as they will walk into your shells.

Watch out for the H39-44's only for the fact that they range you. a 1 v 1 fight with them should be simple. Remember to go full in on them tho to make up the range difference. Once your in on them they will die fast.

The vanny is a great ship to start practicing for the QV. If you learn your angels it is identical. I play my Qv pretty much the same. Only huge drawback is the fact that you will probobly be running with next to no armor subs are a pain don't let them hit you.

It should be noted that the vanny is more of a line battle ship compared to the `I will just armor it`of the L1. So yes you need a bit more skill because you will not live getting shot 6 times. Pick your target take it out when it isn`t expecting you or ingaged with a bigger BB then move on to next target.