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    06. 29. 2014 01:15


Stimpeltje

Today I joined a room right after it was created. 2 seconds later I was the host. Again 2 seconds later the former host rejoined the room so I banned him. He then offended me and I banned him again, now he is going to ticket me for "braking the rules" ....

That is what I do with people who create a room, only to leave it so to make someone else host. Because that is how AFK hosts are created. Normally I tab out when I join a room and tab back in when I hear the countdown. But when I'm the host and Im tabbed out, well ...

Apparently it is not against the rules to create/leave and rejoin a room, but banning that person is.

My opinion, if u dont want to host, then dont host. And it should be against the rules to force someone else to host.

 

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 01:57


vick11

Hopefully you took some screenshots to support your version of events and in particular anything he said that was offensive.  It would be worth sending those on a support ticket so anyone receiving the complaint can cross-reference them and put the ID in the subject header as well so it is obvious.  

It has to be said though you would have been better jsut screenshotting the incident and sending on a support ticket without doing any banning from the room.  Understandable you were frustrated, but using the ban method does open you up to a complaint of rule breaches.  It is a classic case of 2 wrongs not making it right. 

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 07:29


bamaman

What is the point of taking screenshot of an incident like the OP posted?

There is no need to wait for a member of TNF to hand down "punishment".

If the example given by Stimpeltje happens to me I do exactly the same thing. There is no need to waste more of my time to screenshot, upload them to a hosting site, compose a support ticket and the wait for someone in TNF to "review the evidence". Then wait more time to get the reply that states: "There wasn't enough evidence to support a ban".

I, as well as the OP does not need anyone else to review the evidence. There has been a clear violation of the rules...and corrective action taken.

It doesn't take the "Head Mod" or any other member of TNF to enforce the rules.

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 07:41


vick11

Bamaman - the rules say dont ban from shared experience rooms.  What I am trying to highlight to the OP and now you is that if you break that rule, a complaint is made and you have no evidence to support your side of the story then it will only go one way.  If you avoid banning then you will be in the clear and able to make your own complaint safe in the knowledge that you at least remained within the rules.

 

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 08:26


bamaman

I see the point your making and respect that.

However, I also agree with the OP as I deal with the situation the same way.

If someone Hosts a room then as soon as another players enters they leave and come back making me the Host I ban them.

Same with an afk host...If im in a room and the Host is AFK, and I leave and host a room and they enter I ban them.

There needs to be no evidence gathered by anyone...no screenshot no support tickets not anything...I handled the situation.

If I get "reported" for banning said player and someone within TNF "needs" to ban me then so be it.

The point I am tring to make along with the OP is that every situation shouldn't have to end with a report to TNF and someone in TNF making the decision.

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 15:29


shackle

vick..surely a little self policing  cant hurt the game here....hosting a room means you have to be prepared to wait and be alert ...deliberately passing it on to someone else is pretty low rent behaviour..if the situation gets out of hand then NF has a role....

generally other people in the room will know what has happened as well....

I mean do we need to have the skills of divination  to take a screenshot BEFORE the host leaves ? cmon...


  • Re : hosts abusing ban button

    06. 29. 2014 15:56


Dragon_Boats

so someone hosted a room ...
then left for a few seconds ...
then returned to the room ...
where he was then promptly banned for no valid reason other than petty spite ...
so he re-entered again - this time upset at the first ban ...
and was banned again (this time with some SLIGHT justification) ..

.. maybe his phone rang and he bailed to not become an afk host - but call was short = returned
.. or maybe he forgot to load his scout and went to get it ... or switch ammo ... or armor .. or ...
.. or maybe he mis-clicked and hit exir instead of room close tab .. (which does happen a lot)
.. or maybe he was recruiting and realised he needed his radioman - then went load it  and return
.. or maybe he was not the original host in the first place and was semi afk = bailed to not stall
.. or maybe he didn't even realize he had become host and left to check if other room open
.. or maybe he isn't experienced hosting and thought his white name meant he was loading
.. or .. or .. or ... there are many many llegitmate reasons a host might bail and re-enter ...

i don't see even one legitmate reason for booting him in first place - just for returning ??
i do see where he would be upset at you for banning him and give you greif for it
and you banned him AGAIN .. for his being upset that you banned him in first place


i'm sorry .. but the issue of WRONG here is the host abuse of banning someone first - for spite
the original host did NOTHING wrong  - other than getting upset at the first spurious ban


leaving a room and re-entering is NOT against any rules
booting someone out for petty spite IS against the rules (the first time you booted him)

booting him AFTER he gives you a hard time = screenie (but that first boot is still wrong)



booting just because he did something you personally dislike (but is within the rules)
means we should auto-boot all crossers when we see them ? .. according to your logic
or boot any BB you see without scout ... or boot BW/FW cv's ... or boot inappropriate names

all behaviors that are annoying - but - still within the game rules ... while booting is NOT

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 16:33


Dragon_Boats

Originally Posted by bamaman

I see the point your making and respect that.

However, I also agree with the OP as I deal with the situation the same way.

If someone Hosts a room then as soon as another players enters they leave and come back making me the Host I ban them.

Same with an afk host...If im in a room and the Host is AFK, and I leave and host a room and they enter I ban them.

There needs to be no evidence gathered by anyone...no screenshot no support tickets not anything...I handled the situation.

If I get "reported" for banning said player and someone within TNF "needs" to ban me then so be it.

The point I am tring to make along with the OP is that every situation shouldn't have to end with a report to TNF and someone in TNF making the decision.


yes .. that * is* exactly TNF's job ... the in-game mods are there to enforce the rule decisions

the mods are also supposed to smack down hosts who abuse players with made-up rationalizations to justify their bullying boots - but are themselves in violation of actual real rules by doing both the boot and the bullying nature of it .. ban hammer happy nazi  type hosts are far worse than any afk or in/out/in hosts ... and imho deserve an actual game ban from real mods on serveral counts

since TNF's job is ALSO to give a temp ban/clarification of rules to the above people who freely admit to breaking  clear rules by abusing the ban hammer when hosting ... banning people for personal spite is against the rules - while leaving and re-entering a room is not against any rule ... so ... the greater wrong is on the part of those who are ban happy and trying to upsurp TNF's mod job ... (do you guys also run people off the road when you see someone driving in a way you dislike ? think the real cops would let you get away with that kind of 'self-policing' of the roads ??) .. nope .. the rules are - you notify the real cops/mods - NOT do it worse yourself - if you do decide to take the law into your own hands then you should expect to be found in the wrong when it comes to trial - especially when the original person broke no rules nor  did you any real harm other than just annoying your sensibilities

Originally Posted by vick11

the rules say dont ban from shared experience rooms.  

What I am trying to highlight to the OP and now you is that if you break that rule, a complaint is made and you have no evidence to support your side of the story then it will only go one way.  

If you avoid banning then you will be in the clear and able to make your own complaint safe in the knowledge that you at least remained within the rules.

 



  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 29. 2014 17:44


Dragon_Boats

Originally Posted by vick11

It has to be said though you would have been better jsut screenshotting the incident and sending on a support ticket without doing any banning from the room. 

Understandable you were frustrated, but using the ban method does open you up to a complaint of rule breaches.  It is a classic case of 2 wrongs not making it right. 



actually its a classic case of ONE wrong violating another players right to play in rooms
its pure cyber-bullying by the second-hand hosts booting people who broke no rules first
and if the player has paid premium - the game officials should crack down on such known abuse bully booting issues that cost victimized players game time during that paid period

same as blitz hobbitt hosts who boot any kita they see ... boot IS abuse . period .*
*(or have a very very good screenie proving why the boot happened - with warnings etc ..)


one person being frustrated and then acting out boot abuse - is NOT an acceptable excuse for justifying the ban behavior .. the first person did nothing illegal - just annoying ... the booting is totally illegal and is clear cyber bullying for petty spite : complete with 'understandable' justification and self-rationalization as for why they should be allowed to continue getting away with abusing their victims  ..

"he left"  - and then came back in - "so i kicked him" ..
then when he came back and complained - "i kicked him again"
and
"he had the nerve to let me hold the ban hammer" - " so i hit him with it" = "he deserved it"

you have players booting people on made-up 'rules' - just because they can  ... something very wrong that  picture

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 30. 2014 01:00


JonARobinson

I have to say Dragon_boats you do seem a little out of touch. All you're giving is "excuses" there. There are no good "reasons" to simply host a room, leave and then come back in. Sure i.ve had times when i've opened a room and then needed to answer the phone or sort my daughter out or go to the toilet (etc etc lol). But you know what I do? Instead of acting like an ignorant a-hole, I use my brain and look to see who entered my room first, or who is still in it that came in before the others. I see if they are afk or not and if not I ask if they mind hosting the room. I've never once had someone say no. I have had people afk, and there's no use going from one potentially afk host to another. So I either apologise to people and kick everyone and disband the room, or I simply wait if it wasn't massively important in the first place.

 

The fact is you are NOT the only person playing this game. What makes YOU so damn special that you get to be a selfish $%£& (insert own expletive here) OR deliberately open a room when you don't want to host.

 

If you forgot shells or your scout maybe you shouldn't be hosting in the first place.

We're not talking about not knowing you're the host.

We're not talking about people clicking exit by accident (honestly, who the hell does that?)

 

We're talking about people who don't give a damn about game etiquette, and are the sole reason why there is so much crossing, TKing, non scouting, crappy CV playing, noobnerdragerush idiots in BBs and afk hosting or just plain crap hosting!

 

SORT IT OUT NOOBS! TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY, STOP GIVING PEOPLE EXCUSES AND TAKE SOME PRIDE!!!

 

Rant over :)

  • Re : hosts leaving

    06. 30. 2014 01:27


mafo

+100% to Stimpeltje

+1000% toJonARobinson

this game is dying because of selfish behavior of a few players and

new joiners are offended with such situation so quit  

and we all will loose......

I am very sad to see it, when GB2 introduced in NFEU there was team-work

no matter of disconnection or other game problems, these times was wonderful

even in team which did not win, but all we did try achieve same target.

 

 

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