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BB4 RM
03. 21. 2012 12:05
cloudmom
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Italian bb4 is too small, please check this bb if not please give me a frigate to the damage and scope of a mountain so I like to play. That size is inappropriate for the game and desvalancea all.
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 24. 2012 07:01
Zultra
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[QUOTE=Hansaharry]
Originally Posted by richardphat
The italian BB4 is overpowered and has been scheduled a mega nerf.
Note, the word mega nerf and not the slight nerf from next week patch.
Exactly what I expect….it will get nerved down till it´s unplayable.
People complain about that ship, but why?
Its size is too small, i agree with that. Also the damage reduce was okay, but that’s petty much fixed now.
But out of my experience most people complaining about the RM BB4 are those who react wrong on it. Fact is, a good salvo out of any BB4 or BB5 and of course BB6 cripples it, you are lucky if you can retreat, most likely it means your dead. You have less range then most BB4s, so you have to rush if you want to hit them. Most BB4s are as Fast as it or even faster, if they simply run away (as KM players are used to) the easily outrange it. Its not the fault of the ship that the enemy thays in line mostly ignoring or missing it, even if its small. It was the same with the Paris when it came out (and the other MN lower BBs, ppl. simply ignored them, or didn´t recognized that a BB is closing in...until its to late.
It’s a fact, when i rush the enemy and they hit me, i am dead. When they don´t hit me but run away I can´t get them also. But in most cases ppl. prefer to shoot on bigger targets first and ignore me, then I am in range and they finally realize the danger but aren´t used to their lower angles…so they miss and I kill them. Afterwards they complain it´s overpowered. Simple answer is: Learn to aim and learn about your enemy. You have to accept that it is a BB4, even if its size is small. And believe me, its not so easy as it seems to aim proper with those 25 degree guns, its much.
My personal comparison about the RM BB4:
Pro:
-very small hitbox
-good speed (usual for BB4)
-good damage
Con:
-quite weak
-average/low range
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 24. 2012 10:43
tappo01
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Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 24. 2012 10:49
Zultra
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Originally Posted by tappo01
Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
Losers? I say the losers are the ones moaning because they can't blockshot every ship in the game and those who want to keep the rather bland swap-a-shell that happens in GB's. Also people don't like having ships in the game that counter there play style, so it's a no-brainer you my friend are a 'loser'.
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 24. 2012 20:31
hiroito
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Originally Posted by Zultra
Originally Posted by tappo01
Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
Losers? I say the losers are the ones moaning because they can't blockshot every ship in the game and those who want to keep the rather bland swap-a-shell that happens in GB's. Also people don't like having ships in the game that counter there play style, so it's a no-brainer you my friend are a 'loser'.
GIRLS! YOU ARE BOTH PRETTY OK!? So now, seriously. RM IS OP, the BB4 has pretty much H39 range, it has gun angles that give you no time to react or dodge, and also have repairers that are as good as UK's. Not to mention small hitbox: Why in hell a player that is using KM, one of the hardest if not the hardest nation to play, has to accept a ship that not only has low angle guns, but also better gun damage, better spread, same speed (Since the Speed advantage for KM is pretty much negletible) and to top it all: Awesome repairers and a hitbox that is 1/3rd the size of any BB4 out there and can deal as much damage as they can (And maybe more). The way I see it, RM is a rushing nation by excelence. It even outclasses the French BBs with their two frontal quad turrets, and it is more dangerous than an AW L1 that is rushing for the sole reason of having low angle guns, decent speed and the same kind of repairers. I don't want to take away the low angle guns, I would instead support a damage reduction, a range reduction, an speed reduction and an slight increase on the sprite and hitbox, at least to make those ships be half the size of any other given BB4 and not 1/3rd the size. I don't claim that I know everything about this game, I am just giving my opinion on what feels right to me about what should be done. I'm not a loser, I don't go around pulling the fictory card many players pull with their UK BBs, I am a KM BB player mainly and it feels frustrating that all that time spent to reach my H39, learning to use my range, to use the longer OH time to my advantage, to learn when is a good time for rushing and when for running, to try to slingshot (And the list goes on), was wasted time since anyone can now get on a ship that is 1/3rd the size of my BB, does more damage, has basically the same range, has lower angles that make their shells reach my ship almost instantly and also have repairers taht will allow them to reach the repair cap easier. This situation just feels wrong. Again, UK players do this only after they reach certain stage, not right off the bat...
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 25. 2012 05:08
gaby20
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size : couldnt care less
range : way 2 much (right now it outranges an L1)
speed : max 40 (i could be wrong... did the test some time ago on testserver)
spred :right now is not that great(it should be better...only if the damage gows down)
damage : cant realy tell with this spread... id say 40k (*after ball*showld be bout 32k good salvo ... 39k with the curent spred....personal preference)
realod : right now its not that great... could be my gnrs lvl(should be in respect 2 the damage and spread)
manoeuvrability : excelent (personal preference that it would stay that way)
submergence : excelent ( showld go dawn )
i have the ship going for bb5 , its a easy and fun grind and
hope the balance gows well,i know the 25 angel makes it hard 2 balance it (the only thing that i hope they dont change... is the hang timee for the shels...im adicted ;) )
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 25. 2012 05:29
Zultra
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Originally Posted by hiroito
Originally Posted by Zultra
Originally Posted by tappo01
Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
Losers? I say the losers are the ones moaning because they can't blockshot every ship in the game and those who want to keep the rather bland swap-a-shell that happens in GB's. Also people don't like having ships in the game that counter there play style, so it's a no-brainer you my friend are a 'loser'.
GIRLS! YOU ARE BOTH PRETTY OK!? So now, seriously. RM IS OP, the BB4 has pretty much H39 range, it has gun angles that give you no time to react or dodge, and also have repairers that are as good as UK's. Not to mention small hitbox: Why in hell a player that is using KM, one of the hardest if not the hardest nation to play, has to accept a ship that not only has low angle guns, but also better gun damage, better spread, same speed (Since the Speed advantage for KM is pretty much negletible) and to top it all: Awesome repairers and a hitbox that is 1/3rd the size of any BB4 out there and can deal as much damage as they can (And maybe more). The way I see it, RM is a rushing nation by excelence. It even outclasses the French BBs with their two frontal quad turrets, and it is more dangerous than an AW L1 that is rushing for the sole reason of having low angle guns, decent speed and the same kind of repairers. I don't want to take away the low angle guns, I would instead support a damage reduction, a range reduction, an speed reduction and an slight increase on the sprite and hitbox, at least to make those ships be half the size of any other given BB4 and not 1/3rd the size. I don't claim that I know everything about this game, I am just giving my opinion on what feels right to me about what should be done. I'm not a loser, I don't go around pulling the fictory card many players pull with their UK BBs, I am a KM BB player mainly and it feels frustrating that all that time spent to reach my H39, learning to use my range, to use the longer OH time to my advantage, to learn when is a good time for rushing and when for running, to try to slingshot (And the list goes on), was wasted time since anyone can now get on a ship that is 1/3rd the size of my BB, does more damage, has basically the same range, has lower angles that make their shells reach my ship almost instantly and also have repairers taht will allow them to reach the repair cap easier. This situation just feels wrong. Again, UK players do this only after they reach certain stage, not right off the bat...
Don't forget the Italian navy *is* a rushing nation it's ships werent designed to slug it out with other BB's.
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 25. 2012 05:44
phillipM
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Originally Posted by tappo01
Lol at these losers scared to lose their OP toys.
@ black-text-guy: if you are failing with an RM BB4 the only thing you might be able to play is an SS.
you sound like a $$^%&#
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 31. 2012 03:01
MaskdBandit
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Is the BB4 getting nerfed? Yes.
Can you say it's not for a good reason? Hell no, it's deserved.
When debating the damage, have you even for a moment considered its reload?
When debating the "oh you just have to learn to aim better" mega BS cop-out, have you ever tried lobbing SY/SN BB5 shells for 5 seconds when all it has to do is change course like it always does when rushing? If you haven't played a variety of ships against RM then don't say "oh you just have to play better." "Playing better" as a counter is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from a game developers standpoint.
Yes, if you're only playing Navyfield because of one nation... It's like if you played rock-paper-scissors and always chose rock, because it's the only one where you can punch your opponent in the face for an easy win. Every nation should have an incentive to play it. Instead you've got MN 2.0 crossed with low angles, unrealistic hitboxes, high rep rates and absolutly insane damage/reload ratios.
I'm reminded of all the SN players (back when there were SN players...) that said the IM wasn't overpowered. BS, you know it was, and now there are no SN players. When's the last time you even saw a Maryia in game? The difference is, even after they neft the BB4, people will still enjoy a nation where everything playes like a Nelson/StrasBourg combination, and that's just fine if you can accept that most players shouldn't survive long until they're in the BB5 and it's entirely different playstyle. A playstyle, largly different I might add, because you're not the size of half a toothpick.
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 31. 2012 12:23
hiroito
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Originally Posted by MaskdBandit
Is the BB4 getting nerfed? Yes.
Can you say it's not for a good reason? Hell no, it's deserved.
When debating the damage, have you even for a moment considered its reload?
When debating the "oh you just have to learn to aim better" mega BS cop-out, have you ever tried lobbing SY/SN BB5 shells for 5 seconds when all it has to do is change course like it always does when rushing? If you haven't played a variety of ships against RM then don't say "oh you just have to play better." "Playing better" as a counter is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from a game developers standpoint.
Yes, if you're only playing Navyfield because of one nation... It's like if you played rock-paper-scissors and always chose rock, because it's the only one where you can punch your opponent in the face for an easy win. Every nation should have an incentive to play it. Instead you've got MN 2.0 crossed with low angles, unrealistic hitboxes, high rep rates and absolutly insane damage/reload ratios.
I'm reminded of all the SN players (back when there were SN players...) that said the IM wasn't overpowered. BS, you know it was, and now there are no SN players. When's the last time you even saw a Maryia in game? The difference is, even after they neft the BB4, people will still enjoy a nation where everything playes like a Nelson/StrasBourg combination, and that's just fine if you can accept that most players shouldn't survive long until they're in the BB5 and it's entirely different playstyle. A playstyle, largly different I might add, because you're not the size of half a toothpick.
You couldn't state this any better. Also, this is what I think of RM. 
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Re : BB4 RM
03. 31. 2012 15:43
richardphat
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The discussion has gone far.
If people arent experienced enough to distinguish something overpowered, fine let them be.
That ship will be readjusted.
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